Unbelievable... and I mean that.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by mattdonnellon, Dec 30, 2009.


  1. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,595
    1,855
    Dec 2, 2006
    Was just doing some newspaper research on Charley Retzlaff and then came across his first defeat to Joe Sekyra, a good fighter. The amazing thing is Joe then fought Tommy Loughran 3 weeks later, then King Levinsky a week later,(he lost these two) then after another week Jim Braddock(won this one) and so on. Sekyra was 42-16-6 according to boxrec at the time of the Braddock contest, one of at least 50/100 similar light heavy/heavyweights that routinely fought one another 10-20 times a year.
    boxrec bears this out with the 1920's/30's having the most recorded fights despite the certainty that a big percentage of the fights from that era are not on record.
    It was like a permanent super six tournament.
    Unbelievable until you sift through it, top contenders, Europeans, lightheavies, SouthAmerican all mixing it up. Real depth which may have mitageted against the top tier having longevity.
     
  2. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

    38,034
    90
    Nov 10, 2008
    That is amazing competition levels right there.
     
  3. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,595
    1,855
    Dec 2, 2006
    Here is a list of these guys;
    Harry Greb
    Gene Tunney
    George Shade
    Jeff Smith
    Jimmy Delaney
    Ted Moore
    Johnny Wilson
    Jack Delaney
    Ad Stone
    "Young" Stribling
    Martin Burke
    Tony "Young" Marullo
    Emilio "King" Solomon
    Chuck Wiggins
    Yale Okun
    Georges Carpentier
    Martin Burke
    Chuck Wiggins
    Mike McTigue
    Jimmy Slattery
    Leo Lomski
    Joe Sekyra
    Pete Latzo
    Armand Emanuel
    Mickey Walker
    Jim Braddock
    Pierre Charles
    Jack Renault
    Dave Maier
    Max Baer
    "Tuffy" Griffith
    Victorio Campolo
    Jack Gross
    Joe Sekyra
    Paolino Uzcudun
    Stanley Poreda
    King Levinsky
    Walter Cobb
    Isidoro Gastanaga
    Steve Hamas
    Jack Sharkey
    Primo Carnera
    Walter Neusel
    Johnny Risko
    Jose Domingo Caratolli
    Arturo Godoy
    Al Ettore
    Eddie Simms
    Al Delaney
    Maurice Strickland
    Andre Lenglet
    Tommy Farr
    Ben Foord
    Al McCoy
    Ray Impellitiere
    "Sonny Boy" Walker.

    Check any of them out on boxrec, all from good to very good. Now the unbelievable part, thes are probably now a quarter of the talent 1925-35 because these are just my pick of the guys ONE FIGHTER TOMMY LOUGHRAN fought and he fought many of them multiple times. If you doubt this check out Rosenbloom, Jack Fox or many more. Its like every top 50 l/h, cruiser or Heavyweight fighting a fellow contender at least every month and for ten or more years.
     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,696
    29,017
    Jun 2, 2006
    And all White .
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    112,824
    47,724
    Mar 21, 2007
    Yup, it's insania.
     
  6. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

    38,034
    90
    Nov 10, 2008
    Its quite funny when we can have a Super 6 now and back then they could have had a Super 60 tournament
     
  7. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,595
    1,855
    Dec 2, 2006
    Blacks like Hankinson, Fox, Haynes, Lewis, Walker, Toles, Gains, Godfrey,leo Kelly, Dave Clarke were some of the blacks that Loughran dodn't fight.
     
  8. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,696
    29,017
    Jun 2, 2006
    Hank Hankinson was white , he was a crude slugger, who dropped a couple of decs to Rosenbloom.Loughran would have embarrassed him,imo.
     
  9. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,595
    1,855
    Dec 2, 2006
  10. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

    71,528
    27,122
    Feb 15, 2006
    I have always argued that while the 30s lacked the great champions that characterise some era's, the overall talent pool was incredibly deep, and it was a verry unforgiving indeed brutal division to move up through.
     
  11. amhlilhaus

    amhlilhaus Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,840
    12
    Mar 24, 2005
    yes, but those guys werent THAT good. today's guys are better, you know with modern training methods and nutrition and stuff.:roll: