Uncanny parallels between Gerry Cooney and Deontay Wilder

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  1. Dubblechin

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    Cooney couldn't torch Eddie "The Animal" Lopez, Sam McGill and Matt Robinson.

    Cooney didn't even make it in the ring until he was 38.

    Cooney didn't win a fight after he turned 30.

    At age 31, Cooney was wasted by Spinks and, at 33, by Foreman.

    Cooney would've had a dozen losses (or more) against Wilder's opponents. He'd been a stump by the time he got to Parker.
     
  2. guncho

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    Juan carlos gomez ranks higher then Ortiz.

    then there is Sanders who just had destroyed Wlad.
    Peter that had gave very hard fight to Wlad and seen as 2nd best heavy.
    Destroyed Adameck but he was just too small but was ranked high
     
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  3. steviebruno

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    How is Parker much smaller than Wilder when he outweighed him by 30 lbs?
     
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  4. steviebruno

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    Are any of these guys better than Fury 3x, though?
     
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  5. kriszhao

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    Sanders alone would of beat everyone Wilder has plus would of Ko'd the bum squad himself.
     
  6. kriszhao

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    he wasnt even competitive in those Fury fights so yes... Wilders only good win in his whole career is Grandpa Ortiz who never achieved anything.
     
  7. steviebruno

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    But how can you say he avoided the top guys if he fought the very best guy 3x?
     
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  8. kriszhao

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    He admitted to ducking Joshua on Twitter, Wilder also refused to even entertain the idea of a Wlad fight after he won the title from berman Stivern (who never even won a title in the ring instead picked it up when the champ retired). besides Stivern Wilder has never defeated a champion in what 13 years as a pro. he has stepped up to good competition twice Fury and Parker and look at the results.
     
  9. kriszhao

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    Wait Wilders best win is who again? Ortiz who was how old again? Damn Wilders resume is really bad if a 38 year never was like Ortiz is his best win in 47 fights
     
  10. steviebruno

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    Parker is not in Fury's category, though. He is no better than Stiverne was at his best and would likely lose to a non-shot Wilder.

    Wilder WAS the champion and he went after the lineal champ and couldn't beat him. There's no shame in that. And even if you say that the first fight was a cherrypick, why would he fight him the 2nd and 3rd time?

    I am pretty sure that Wilder/AJ would've happened if he'd gotten by Fury, but he couldn't... although he continued trying and likely endured multiple concussions to go along with a couple of brutal KO losses.

    That's not the mark of a coward to me, but maybe you know better...
     
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  11. kriszhao

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    Parker is better than fatman Stivern who was a bum and a paper champ... then again Wilder ducked, Joshua, Povetkin, Whyte, Ruiz, Wlad. All his defenses of the WBC title were a total jokes besides Fury who was a cherry pick gone wrong. Remember Fury and wilder openly talked about freezing Joshua out... Wilder's career is a carefully managed where he avoided anyone with a pulse until he chose a fat Fury who looked fat sloppy in his comeback fights.
     
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  12. The Long Count

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    Wilder’s best win is against a 39 year old off steroids Ortiz. Who in turns barely has any good wins. And then Stiverne.
    Also He didn’t just lose to Parker he was dominated, outclassed, non comebacks, As he was in his two tries against a non fat Fury. People want to put that in the HOF lol.
     
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  13. steviebruno

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    Parker is no better than Stiverne. You liking his body more doesn't make him a better fighter.

    Wilder openly discussed unifying the titles and was actually deeply offended by AJ's claim that he was being frozen out. Fury was supposed to be a stepping stone to help Wilder gain experience, but certainly not a cherrypick. If Wilder was being as carefully managed as you say, there was no actual reason to pick Fury as an opponent.

    What was he going to do after beating Fury? Retire? LOL. He would've gone on to fight AJ... except AJ had Ruiz problems of his own.

    ... Does Joshua lose points for beating the fatter version of Ruiz, btw?
     
  14. kriszhao

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    Really what is Stiverne's best win that puts him on the level of Parker Arreola? . You literally have no proof that he would of fought Joshua after, he admitted turning down the Joshua fight for more money to fight Fury for a much smaller purse. And they Wilder and Fury admitted that they were freezing out Joshua.

    I'm not even a fan of Joshua you are obviously a Wilder fan and try hard to twist narratives to try to up Wilder... nothing you wrote hides the truth Wilder is an overrated fighter and lost every time he stepped up.

    I would reply more but your personal attack shows me that you are not in control of your facilities and your fanboyism overcomes your rationality. you lost the plot.
     
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  15. steviebruno

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    Honestly, you lost the plot when you couldn't explain how Wilder avoided the top guys, yet somehow fought the very best guy three times. Your only response was to:
    A) Try and group Parker in with Fury, as if they are anywhere near the same category
    B) Make a conspiracy theory in which Joshua, who has three losses despite not fighting either guy even one time, was being frozen out and is somehow blameless.

    You are a lost individual, posting on a message board and calling heavyweight champions cowards.

    I can't help you.
     
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