Uncanny parallels between Gerry Cooney and Deontay Wilder

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  1. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    ,,,,AWW Never mind
     
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  2. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder saw Fury come out of inactive retirement looked completely out shape and looking very poor against journeymen bin his first fight.

    Tyson team said anyone half decent would of beaten Tyson the state he was in the their first fight.

    After the second Wilder Fury fight Wilder (which Wilder had to fight of be stripped of his world title) gave a interview claiming Fury should give him a third fight. Wilder stated at the time of the first fight Wilder turned down a lot more money to fight AJ just to fight Fury so Fury should return the favour (effectively Wilder basically admitted he ducked AJ and that fury was a cherry puck gone wrong).
     
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  3. steviebruno

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    Again, he fought Fury 3x. Tyson Fury is the best heavyweight of this era. What type of system are you guys using? Would you award Wilder more points for fighting Chisora and Dillian Whyte or some **** like that? LOL. Fat Fury is still better than all of those guys and there were clearly much easier fights to take if he wanted. Clearly. He did not need to give Fury even ONE fight.

    The circumstances don't matter as much as you think they do, and there was certainly no reason to demand a third fight.
     
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  4. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I was stretching the analogy a bit. Parker is bigger in some respects, his legs in particular are much thicker. But at a broadly equivalent body fat percentage, I don't think Parker would be significantly heavier than Wilder and he could well be lighter. He's also 3.5-4 inches shorter and has 7 inches less reach. So overall I regard him as a much smaller heavyweight naturally. For similar reasons I don't regard Andy Ruiz as a big heavyweight. Billy Joe Saunders isn't a naturally huge man either but he ate himself up to 15+ stone.
     
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  5. Curtis Lowe

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    I don't know. Ken Norton got in and never won a championship fight.
     
  6. Redbeard7

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    According to Mitch, fighting Chisora, Whyte and Takam constitutes fighting much stronger opposition than fighting Fury three times.
     
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  7. The Long Count

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    Norton is the rare exception. I’ve pointed out only he and Jimmy Bivins have gained entry without being lineal champions And Jimmy Bivins had extensive career at light heavy.

    Norton beat Ali - and had a famous trilogy where he arguably won all three fights. Fury is no Ali and Wilder didn’t win one single bout and was mostly non competitive in the bouts. Norton also has an all time classic fight with Larry Holmes.
    Norton is the rare exception. And for that matter in todays era of over diluted belts - Wilder’s run as wbc champion was pathetic and not really a legitimate run- he never beat the top heavyweight like Norton did with Ali.
    Anyway I’ve made my points all over this site on this matter. I’m not going to continue on with it. I saw a poll said is Wilder HOF worthy and it’s nearly 4 outta every 5 say no. As it should be.
     
  8. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "I saw a poll said is Wilder HOF worthy and it’s nearly 4 outta every 5 say no. As it should be."

    Wilder has been hated on this site from the start, for a variety of reasons. I think Povetkin won the forum poll on "should he get into the HoF" but it doesn't matter, the Russian isn't getting in while Wilder probably is.

    After exceptions have been for Norton and Vitali and Moorer's got in (who you don't think should be) then Wilder probably will too. How quickly he does is probably contingent on a few factors though which are largely beyond his control.
     
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  9. The Long Count

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    Why are you replying to my response to Curtis Lowe? You keep jumping into my conversations.
    It’s not hating on Wilder, his resume just isn’t Hall of fame worthy. judging by who is in, for the heavyweight division he falls far short. Guys like Moorer and Bivins have a body of work at light heavy. So his best comparison would be Norton or Vitali which have both been covered. He doesn’t measure up to them. So to let Wilder in would really lower bar to admittance.
     
  10. Redbeard7

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    The guys who determine admission to the HoF believe that many guys are HoF worthy who you do not.

    Don't you want non-titlist Povetkin to get in? And didn't you say this:

    "Here’s the catch though, the HOF is located in America and it is a business. It draws boxers and fans from around the world, right now the American fight scene is being crushed by the international fight scene but without American fighters the hof won’t sell as well, so they may lower their standards a little in the future to allow American fighters in to remain relevant and draw for the attraction."
     
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  11. The Long Count

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    My God you stalk me. But yes I agree with everything I said there. If Wilder goes in, it will be a cheapening of the Hall of Fame. If he goes in - it will be to sell tickets and not on merit. I have the luxury not being affiliated with the Hall - to strictly apply my beliefs that it should be on merit.
    As for Povetkin I believe his resume is just short - although it is better than Wilder’s.
     
  12. Redbeard7

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    I don't stalk you. I was searching some old threads on Moorer and Povetkin and you offered your opinions. Moorer was a hard no in your view (he's since got in), Povetkin was a soft no but you hoped he'd get in and saw a potential path to him getting in, if (ironically!) standards were loosened for Americans getting in.
     
  13. The Long Count

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    Well yes. I feel if Wilder gets in then a host of guys should get in. Povetkin, Byrd, Tim Witherspoon, Quarry maybe, etc. That’s why I’m a hard No on Wilder. As for Moorer - I feel he didn’t stay at light heavy long enough (where he was excellent and a murderous puncher), and I feel he didn’t accomplish enough at heavy despite lifting the lineal title from Holyfield.
    The Hall does like to put lineal heavyweight title holders in though, that much is evident.
     
  14. CooperKupp

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    Well Cooney was never seen twerking on camera with his ass up like a cat in heat after any of his losses though. And he never came up with wild conspiracy theories searching for an excuse why he got tooled and schooled.

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    Wilder never went to the body like that.
     
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  15. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cooney was already on the boogar sugar before the Holmes fight. His promoters didn't care at all about him and cashed him out against Holmes after an extended inactivity.
     
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