Uncanny parallels between Vitali Klitschko and Deontay Wilder

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  1. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Credit to @lufcrazy

    1. Both were long-reigning WBC titlists with relatively weak résumés

    2. Both have historically high KO ratios among heavyweight champions

    3. Both got stopped by the No.1 ranked lineal heavyweight champion in a classic war

    4. Both lost to a much smaller, lighter punching, clear underdog (future/former) titlist

    5. Wilder lacks any claim to the lineal heavyweight championship, Vitali's claim is fuzzy at best and disregarded by most reputable sources
     
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  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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  3. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    There are many uncanny parallels between you and other forum trolls, as well.
     
  4. hobby rider

    hobby rider Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Uncanny parallels between @Redbeard7 @ShortRound @NEETzschean

    All pathetic losers
    All jobless bums
    All have jizz covered posters of Deontay Wilder on their walls
    All still live in their parents basement
    All would crawl over broken glass to get their mouth around the phallus of deontay wilder given the chance
    All would grab their ankles if Tyson fury told them to
     
  5. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    Uncanny parallel between this trolling and another trolling uncanny thread , trying to make Wilder out to be more than a one dimensional puncher.
     
  6. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's not trolling, it's a summary of the points made by another poster who was comparing the careers of Vitali and Wilder. A poster who does not even like Wilder but who believes he will make the HoF.
     
  7. Joy_Rones

    Joy_Rones Member Full Member

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    Up next: Uncanny parallels between Wilder and Ali

    Both boxers
    Both black
    Both won medals at the Olympics
    Both won the WBC belt
    Both didn't participate in US invasion of Vietnam and Afghanistan respectively
     
  8. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Is what he posted inaccurate?
     
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  9. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Not if you take it as it's phrased (a closer look shows that Vitali is greater), but it's clearly used as bait to annoy posters.
     
  10. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It annoys them because they are confronted with the fact that Vitali's best wins were Sanders and Chisora (or Peter if they prefer), who may well have lost to Ortiz and Stiverne respectively.
     
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  11. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    OP did not state Wilder was equal to or greater than Vitali. That's not what he was arguing. He literally showed parallels between the 2. Much like another poster drew parallels between Wilder and Cooney. I personnelly believe the OP was trying to say, Vitali gets love or doesn't get critisized while Wilder gets destroyed regularly while having a similar resume. That's how I read into it anyway.
     
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  12. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Much like another poster drew parallels between Wilder and Cooney."

    That was also me. I think Wilder is a lot more accomplished than Cooney but a bit less than Vitali.
     
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  13. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He's the same poster who did the Cooney parallels, and he has made 2 different threads on how Wilder is a future HoFer and how that would make him peers with Ali and Louis in that regard (his own words). It's obvious bait.
     
  14. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    One of the biggest criticisms of Vitali is his resume isn't particularly good, but lets be honest Vitali's resume is superior.

    Vitali has a win over Solis who beat Ortiz how many times as an amateur 5 times or something and all by a wide margin. Plus he fought a 30 year old Solis not a 38 year old Cuban like when Wilder faced Ortiz. Not to mention Vitali crushed Solis early while Wilder was out boxed for the vast majority of the fight and even dropped against a fighter levels below Solis.

    Vitali also has a win over Chisora who is 1-1 vs Parker who shut out Wilder.

    Yes both fought the lineal champion but Vitali did so as a late replacement when Lewis was active while Fury had been out of the ring for over 2.5 years and only had 2 easy warm up fights and was only 50% before the fight according to his father. Also Vitali did fight another fighter who once held a claim to the lineal title in Briggs.

    Wilder has only faced 4 fighters who once held or would hold a world title in Liakhovich, Stiverne, Fury and Parker and only beat 2 of the 4.

    Vitali has faced 6 fighters who once held or would hold a world title in Hide, Byrd, Lewis, Sanders, Peter and Briggs and beat 4 of the 6 of them. So he beat as many world champs as Wilder has faced in total.

    It's easy to cherry pick stats to form a narrative, but you have to looks at all the data just those that favour your point of view.
     
  15. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Vitali has a win over Solis who beat Ortiz how many times as an amateur"

    Meaningless, Solis's best win as a pro was Austin in a war. That's Stiverne's 3rd best win. Solis was also beaten twice by Thompson, who was destroyed by Ortiz.

    "Vitali also has a win over Chisora who is 1-1 vs Parker"

    Going by official results rather than revisionism, Chisora is 0-2 with Parker and 0-1 with Helenius, who Wilder sparked in 1.

    "was only 50% before the fight according to his father"

    I don't take the word of John Fury very seriously.

    "Briggs"

    Briggs hadn't won a meaningful fight since he beat Liakhovich four years prior, who Wilder sparked in 1.

    "world champs"

    Wilder has a draw (albeit controversial) against lineal champ Fury which could have easily been given a fairly uncontroversial 12th round KO if not for a subjective refereeing call.

    Their best wins are Sanders and non-titlist Chisora, non-titlist Ortiz and Stiverne respectively. Back in 2018 you said that Ortiz was better than Sanders.

    There isn't nearly as much between them as you're trying to make out. Wilder getting in was made more likely by the fact that Vitali got in.
     
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