Under 190lbs Who Stands Up With Rocky?

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  1. 70sFan865

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    It was a serious question, thanks for reply but you don't need to get so offended...
     
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    Yes. All we know. He weighed under 190
     
  3. Charlietf

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    Now you changed the argument, an invented rule. Johnson in 1907 was in his prime or very close to his prime and weighed under 190 pounds so i can't see the motive why he could not be mentioned on this thread
     
  4. mcvey

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    Nope Johnson did not weigh in for any fights in1907 Box rec is a guide not a gospel.
     
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    See post above.
     
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    Please.... haha this one is The worst way not to admit when you're wrong
     
  7. 70sFan865

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    Fitzsimmons - I would favour Rocky here, but Fitzsimmons dealt with pressure fighters really well and Marciano wasn't that hard to hit. Not an easy fight for either one, 60-40 for Rocky here.

    Langford - I would probably pick peak Sam here. He was more durable than Fitz and stronger physically (not in terms of punching but clinching and pressuring). He was also a better boxer than Rocky, I can see him winning a tough fight as a close decision. Rocky would throw more, but miss more and Langford would counter him time and time again. 40-60 for Rocky

    Dempsey - Jack had right style to trouble Marciano early on, he was very intimindating figther at the beginning. Still, I see Rocky sustaining first rounds and beating Dempsey in late rounds by late KO or decision. 55-45 for Rocky.

    Schmeling - you all know that I'm Max admirer, but I don't think he would beat Marciano. I think that Schmeling would make Rocky look like a fool at begining, but Rocky would eat his punches and slowly break him down. Late stoppage for Rocky here, although I can see Schmeling beating him (he outboxed and even stopped quite a few durable swarmers - Risko, Walker, Uzcudun, Hamas). 65-35 Rocky

    Tunney - I don't think Gene is proven enough against HW power to pick him there. Besides, Rocky would likely wear him down, I don't like Tunney style against him. 70-30 Rocky

    Charles - I see prime Ezzard beating him in a close decision. Similar fight as real first Charles fight, but Ezzard being more mobile, quicker and better conditioned give him edge here. 45-55 Charles

    Patterson - I think Rocky would break him down, although his quickness could give Marciano problems. 70-30 Rocky

    Moore - I can see Moore lasting longer than in their actual fight, but he would be stopped late. 70-30 Rocky
     
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    Read his biographies, then get back to me.I'm always happy to be corrected but you haven't managed it yet. Name fights in 1907 /1906 which Johnson weighed in for, and was under 190lbs.BTW The weight
    Box rec has for Johnson v Burns is incorrect too.
     
  9. janitor

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    Dempsey and Langford would have the best chance.
     
  10. 70sFan865

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    Fighters were not weighed before fights at HW most of the time. The truth is that we don't know how much he weighed in that fight. I would bet that he was already over 190 lbs, but we just don't know.
     
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    I know that boxrec is not a prophecy marked by God, but it is a very good guide and we must give it the benefit of the doubt because they are correct many more times than they are wrong, but it seems hypocritical to use that argument for the benefit of each one when you want to defend your position desperately.

    so cherry picking the weights that we take as correct or wrong from the same source boxrec is hypocrite
     
  12. 70sFan865

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    I never use boxrec weights from that era. As mcvey said, there are other, more credible sources. You need more time to get them, but they are much more legit than random boxrec numbers.
     
  13. Charlietf

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    I keep using jack johnson on this thread nobody convinced me to the opposite with real reasons . in fact he weighed under 190 and 194 against burns.. 4 pounds? Please.. If he can make 194 he could make 190. If you tell me that the guy never fought under 200 then yes. But it is not the case, johnson can be mentioned here
     
  14. BitPlayerVesti

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    I think Tunney has the best chance.
     
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    Patterson v Rocky would be very interesting. Rocky's strength and durability vs Floyd's skill and speed.

    Prime Charles, of course.

    Tunney and Dempsey would be very interesting as well.