under 200lb Tournament Round 1: # 11 Max Schmeling vs # 22 Jimmy Ellis

Battle of two terrific right hands, close to call. Ellis was a bit quicker, Schmeling more awkward. Ellis sometimes got too over-eager with his punches and ended up running out of steam late, while Schmeling was always methodical and economical about his work. A fast starter against a slow starter, but despite his early round successes I don't think Ellis quite has it in him to duplicate a Louis-Schmeling II type effort.

I would take Schmeling to come on strong in the late rounds to either win a decision or score a TKO depending on the amount of rounds. Ellis had real trouble going a good 15 rounds.

 

I see this as very close ,and it could go either way ,Ellis was a fine first round bomber and had speed too, I pick Max purely based on his great win over Louis.Not sure how ,possibly by dec.

 

Perhaps it's backlash for the decision in the Patterson fight colouring my judgment on this, but I've honestly never really rated Ellis. When he fought Frazier, he was never going to make it out, no matter how it started, it was always ending the same way. First go at heavyweight greatness, squashed.

When he fought Ali, and this coming from a guy who thought, contrary to the commentary, that Ali was dropping some good rounds to Ellis, Ali, imo, could've had Ellis any time he chose to quit diddledicking around. I'm not Ali's biggest fan, but I believe this. He never had to lose a round to Ellis and any time he wanted to simply plant his feet and stand his ground, he could've and would've beaten him down. Early. Shot number two, another one that wouldn't have happened in a million years for Ellis.

And Floyd? Back in the days of his first and only defense? Ellis got an opportunity there, with a lousy version of a once great Patterson that couldn't follow-up anything even slightly resembling the way he'd lay combos down in his prime, a Floyd that had trigger-pulling trouble that made him a very different and lesser fighter. A fighter that Ellis almost had out of there and somehow that version of Floyd, after being hurt for a whole damn round, if I recall correctly, turns the tide, and I feel should've rightfully gotten the decision when a great heavy wouldn't have let him go the distance 99/100 times after putting him in such trouble. And young got busted up pretty good along the way, too.

I've heard people argue Schmeling in the top ten heavyweights of all time. If you can argue anyone into a coveted position like that, you simply aren't losing to Jimmy Ellis. I'm sorry. Has the seventies got to be such a glory hog that even the Jimmy Ellis' are close calls with the Max Schmelings? Why did that become a rant? I'm sleepy and irritable. That's why. I don't even care if I inadvertently made **** up. Boom.

Oh, wait. The poll isn't close. Ah, never mind. I can argue with myself whenever. I don't remember what set me off. Oh, yeah, it must have been when Floyd Patterson's ghost beat Jimmy Ellis and got robbed! :twisted:

 

" I see somesings ,but I wont tell what it is".

 

Ellis is technically a very good boxer, so no wonder you don't like him As an ex-MW couldn't compete with bigger men like Ali and Frazier But his performances against Quarry/Patterson give reason to think he'd compete against an ex-LHW in Schmelling who was also a pure boxer come counter puncher

I think this is a close technical boxing match, I'd enjoy it

 

For Ellis's best efforts you should look at his fights against Bonavena, Martin and Persol where he best displayed his fast-starting style.

Whoever ranks Schmeling among the top 10 all-time great heavyweights is severely overrating him and this is coming from a supporter of his in most cases. He most likely wouldn't have done so well against Ali and Frazier either but what separates him from Ellis, is that Ellis wouldn't have ever come up with a win over Louis.

 

Ellis knocking down Bonavena:
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Bonavena did have Ellis in real trouble from body blows in the last couple of rounds.