Underachievers and Overachievers of Aussie boxing

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  1. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    What I want to see in this thread is who you guys think wasted their talent, didnt work out how you expected or just in general didnt live up to expectations. And also the guys who really punched above their ability and achieved more than you expected they would.

    First the underachievers:

    Justin Kane

    Olympic quarterfinalist, Commonwealth gold medalist and certainly had youth on his side. Johnny Lewis said out of the 3 gold medalists from the Manchester games (Geale and Paul Miller being the other two) Kane had the style that would best suit the pros. Could have been pretty good, not much competition at his weight in Oz so he would have been into the internationals early but I think he prefered to go off work. Not sure about his fate.

    Ben Cruz

    Real up and comer a few years ago. A lot of people thought he could knock off Katsidas. Took a break from boxing and hit the mines, which I dont blame him for because though he was good, he probably wasnt going to become a world champ. And you can make some serious coin in the mines, a lot more then he was probably making. But got involved in with the bikies and got in some serious trouble, not sure how serious but he was still young, so it was such a waste of his life. Just to put it into pespective he last fight was 6 round schooling of Ranee Ganoy..what could have been.

    The Overachievers:

    Jason Delisle

    When I first saw Jase struggle to a draw against Kariuki I thought this guy is fun to watch but not much else. No way in hell would have thought he would have gone on to fight all over the world against some very good fighters, fight in world title eliminators and amazingly a world title. Jase is a true warrior and took what little talent he had a long way with just hard work and a rock solid resolve.

    Choc

    Still more can be achieved. When I saw him vs Zohs I was suprised how good he was but thought he would just do it for publicity for a year or two and go back to Rugby League. He certainly has proved a lot of people wrong and the haters & rednecks :D have had a lot of humble pie to eat. Whether or not he has ever won a fair dinkum world title he beat two good fighters for his trinkets, gave a very good showing against two of the best fighters the weight division has seen and beat one of our better fighters of the last decade convincingly.
    Maybe at the end of the his career people might see him as an underachiever because of his great talent. But I never expected this from a St George 5/8. (Go the sharks)

    There are heaps more..who else you guys think?
     
  2. teke

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    Choc is def an underachiever
     
  3. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    How you figure teke?

    Thats what I really want to know, there isnt really a right or wrong answer in this I just want to see how you guys see it.
     
  4. Francis75

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    As said in an earlier post. When Mundine turned pro people in general saw it as a bit of a gimmick that he might do for 2 or 3 fights then go back to league.

    Therefore, from the perspective of year 2000 Mundine is a massive overachiever as no one would have envisaged that he would be so skilled and reach a very good level.I realise he isn't considered elite p4p etc but to get to the level of beating and totally dominating a world class opponent in Danny Green (a solid top 10 fighter at 168lbs at the time) is impressive.

    The problem though, is that it is now the year 2008 and as boxing fans we now realise the undoubted skill and Potential Mundine has but hasn't pushed himself to reach the best level he could aim for. So in 2008 looking back knowing his potential you would have to say he has underachieved.

    I am a fan of Mundine and like everyone else look forward to him stepping up to the plate to show us all what he can and cannot do. Time will tell.
     
  5. Kegsy

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    When i think of underachievers in recent times Ben Cruz is definitely someone who springs to mind.

    Choc is a big overachiever, but thats nothin to discredit what he has done in the sport. I doubt many would have thought he would do as well as he has considering boxing wasnt his main sport.

    Ranee Ganoy is another overachiever in my mind, as when he 1st came over here he was nothing more than a hard nut Filipino, designed to take our prospects a few rounds. A few upsets later against Peden, Luxford, Paulley, Onikeke etc... plus a war with Katsidis & now he has a world top 15 ranking in the IBF.
     
  6. WhataRock

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    :good

    Yeah thats a good one Kegs.

    Would Paul Miller be an underachiever?

    Hard to gauge that one. Obviously an awesome amateur but the pros isnt for everyone.
    Didnt have the power, killer instinct or style to go well in the pros. Was already showing a predisposition to cuts and injury. I just actually dont think he had what it takes to survive in the rough n tough world of pro boxing. So in a way its not that he underachieved, its just he wasnt meant to achieve that much as a pro.

    Just so many good stories about him in the gym. Giving guys hell in sparring and having crazy fast hands.
     
  7. Kegsy

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    Yeah Paul Miller is a tough one.
    I personally just feel his style just wasnt suited to the pro's & even tho i have heard he is back in the gym, i really doubt he can go anywhere outside Australia.
    Still tho, he could be quite entertaining fighting some of our other local talent in a Aussie Super Middle title fight or something similar.
     
  8. Hmmm

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    you referring to Green or Soliman here? :D :huh
     
  9. huricn

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    Paul Miller was a very skillful boxer but had alot of trouble getting fights.
    and yeah he is back in training.
     
  10. WhataRock

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    Nice..Chris Hamilton was a good prospect, his fight against Comer was apparently a war. I didnt get to see it but seems Chris was never the same after it.
    From memory he beat Geale several times in the ams.
     
  11. WhataRock

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    Talking about Green.

    Soliman was one of the very good fighters he beat to get one of his trinkets.
     
  12. Barge FTA

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    Peter Mitrevski Jnr. He has been given every opportunity to be great, but never has been good enough.
     
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    Ricky Thornberry could also be added to this list. had three opportunity's against Ottke, Calzaghe and Choc and let himself down in all 3.
     
  14. roscoe

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    Cliff Samardin would be australia's biggest underachiever, 24-0 as a pro then gave it away. Jeff Harding I would rate as one of our biggest overachievers, his historic come from behind win in the 1st Andries fight was true fighting Aussie spirit. A classic!
     
  15. pecks

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    Thats not underachieving at all though. He was simple not good enough talent wise, although given opportunities.

    Choc is a bit of a 50/50 one. All of us knew him as a league player, and in that essence he's overachieved, but many of the foreign posters who have only seen him for his boxing probably see his skills and consider him an underachiever.