Underrated fighters.

i guarantee you that tommy morrison would have knocked out max schmeling, like i said with ingo, morrison was bigger,stronger, he ws harder puncher, morrison was in the baer league in hitting power and he would ko the much smaller AND NOT GREAT schmeling. many peaople think that legacy is h2h... schmeling was maybe greater, but h2h the history is very different

 

i would not say that, i think that baer would destroy him

 

A few things: Ruddock himself was bigger than Baer, probably stronger, hit as hard if not harder, very durable with great recovery, beat better and much more dangerous opposition, MUCH better skills and more versatile. Baer's greatest and only assest was his looping right...when he lost this in the Braddock bout injuring it he was rendered useless. Watch the fight and tell me if it looks like Baer has anything else in his arsenal.

Baer's greatness is based on whipping Canera and Schmeling. Even Gypsie Daniels whipped Schmeling...there's a reason you've never heard of Gypsie Daniels.

 

i think that you are very very wrong here, 1_ ruddock never was NATURALLY as big as baer, ruddock weighed barely 188 pounds in his early career then he trained in the gym and he got 230 solid pounds, baer was a guy from the old times and he had another nutrition , training..., if we look the frame, i think that baer was the bigger man here. baer was very close to foreman in the frame, even when he was drained he weighed around 214 pounds and he never did put many musculature on him, so if you put baer in the era of ruddock i think that it is pretty obvious who is the bigger man,2. baer did hit clearly harder 3_ baer was by far more durable and he had much better stamina

 

1.Baer was actually a similiar weight the first half of his career, Ruddock at his heaviest could go past 240lbs while Baer could barely eclipse 220. Ruddock was bigger. Although if you put Baer in Ruddock's time he'd probably be bigger but that's fantasy.

2.Nothing is clear about it Ruddock KO'd and repeatadly knocked down legitimate heavyweights, the only ones Baer has on his resume is Carnera and Galento of which Ruddock could've beaten too. Tyson said that Ruddock hit him the hardest and a few other people.

3. Far more durable? Based on taking shots from Cruisers who he outweighed? Again I disagree and again Ruddock is more proven in this area. Much better stamina? Probably so but this gets eclipsed when you are several leagues below an individual in terms of skill. If they fought Baer is not going to pull a Marciano.

 

Morrison wasn't exactly massive. He would have been a cruiserweight too without the steroids.

 

Exactly he doesn't pass the eye test but he was revered during his prime. Seems that something isn't right about the situation.

Were so many people wrong or is the footage unreliable?

 

Morrison was the opposite of underrated, he was a glass chinned, roided up, great white hope that was exposed badly

 

ruddock was not in shape at 240 pounds,he was in decent shape at 228(trained in a gym) foreman weighed 260 pouns also,riddick bowe weighed 245, bruno weighed 248 full of muslce like a bodybuilder but he had zero stamina, so what? they were not in shape, the numbers don´t prove who is the bigger man, daivd haye weighed 214 pounds also at hw, packed of muscle... and ali weighed the same but ali looked much more natural because it was his real weight, not training in a gym,he was naturally the bigger man, trevor berbick weighed 216-218 , foreman weighed 217 pounds against frazier, do you think that trevor berbick was as big as foreman? absurd, baer was a big framed guy with wide shoulders , he was a very big guy , baer never weighed 188 pounds (maybe at 16), and ruddock did.

100% irrelevant here

yes primo carnera was a cruiser , and ruddock got stopped by every good fighter that he faced. tyson, lewis, morrison

it is because baer did not carry an artifical weight built in a gym, about the skill, baer was crude, but ruddock was nothing but an average fighter, very beatable and overrated like hell.

 

Carlos Teo Cruz. Sad that his life ended so tragically at such a young age, because his story prior to that was one of the better success stories in boxing. Came to the sport late - in his twenties iirc - without much of an amateur background and had a very patchy start, losing in his pro debut and in seven of his first fourteen. He lost a lot of fights on the road and there are quite a few SDs and MDs away from home on his record throughout his career - mainly in Puerto Rico - so you often suspect that he probably had little help from the judges when having to learn on his feet at the same time. He didn't have a big punch either in spite of his generally aggressive approach.

He soldiered on and kept improving, adding some good scalps to his belt on the way up: Bunny Grant, Narvaez, Derado, Valladares etc. And he eventually surprisingly dethroned in supposedly clear fashion one of the greatest lightweights of all time in the form of Ortiz. Granted, Ortiz was ageing and quite faded with his interest waning, but he was still the champion, so it's still a top win. Defended his title against the excellent Mando Ramos and lost it in the rematch on a cut in a fight that was neck and neck in which he had the upper hand imo prior to the cut occurring. The fight's on youtube actually and it's a very good scrap with some excellent back and forth technical skill and aggression on display.

Anyhow, Teo Cruz dusted himself down and started working himself back into the title picture in typically diligent fashion. He was still in good nick despite being the wrong side of 30 and was always in terrific shape. I think he was due to fight Gato Gonzalez but then died alongside his wife and two children in that terrible plane crash.

He looks really good on film to me. Quick and aggressive out of a low stance with good feet and all the punches at his disposal. Sort of like a littler, faster, slicker version of Qawi - especially with the right hand counter over the top - but without the big punch and physicality to go with it. A touch more of the typical Caribbean/Central American style in him, very fit and always in mint condition with a decent chin and a well-integrated offence/defence. A bigger punch would have definitely suited him though.

 

:-(, morrison was a very big strong guy, with huge back,thorax and wide shoulders, morrison was in shape at 227 pounds, cruiser? if you cut him a leg maybe.

 

Could Morrison beat china chin Joe Louis of course he could. Could Billy Conn a light punching middleweight hurt Louis? But Tommy Morrison a 220 pound male who could punch couldn't? Morrison lost to Bent and Mercer? And Marciano lost to Ted Lowry and Roland Lastarza.

Tommy Morrison wasn't fight 180 pound fighters like Joe Louis and Max Baer he was fighting heavyweights no matter how bad you believe they were.

Tommy Morrison would of dominated any era before George Foreman and Joe Frazier. Which isn't really saying much

 

He said himself that he would have been cruiserweight without the steroids.
He wasn't a particularly big-framed heavyweight, just pumped full of drugs. 6'1 or 6'2, with a 76" reach.

 

Exactly. Baer knew what he was doing with his style.

Ruddock had slipped from what made him good and developed into an inferior fighter.

 

Are you from the UK?