Underrated Losing Efforts

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  1. sweetsci

    sweetsci Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What the thread title says. Many times we judge a fighter based on the final result of a fight. Sometimes, as time goes by, we forget about the effort the losing fighter put in.

    In some cases, they may have lost every round, but when you watch the whole fight you see that they didn't just cave in, they attempted to mount an offense, and / or they were not hopelessly outgunned. For example, I was surprised how "not bad" Lucien Rodriguez looked against Larry Holmes when I watched it recently. Rodriguez lost every round, but he never stopped trying and never looked like a hopeless stiff.

    In other cases, the losing fighter is doing well. He's maybe even winning the fight, but then he gets caught with a shot and all praise is heaped on the winner. I watched another Rodrigues recently, Adilson, fight Evander Holyfield. Though it was only a two round fight, Rodrigues looked very good (and Holyfield not so much) until he got caught. Now history looks at that fight as a two-round blowout for Holyfield, forgetting Rodrigues' excellent effort.

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  2. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    MANCINI VS Arguello 39 years ago to the minute right now.
     
  3. salsanchezfan

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    McGirt in the first fight with Whitaker. I scored it many years ago but had Pea winning by only a point.
     
  4. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Tyson vs Douglas. The narrative nowadays is that Tyson rolled over and let himself lose. Watch it again, and tell me that Tyson wasn't trying to take his head off.
     
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    HolDat Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Sal Sanchez vs Chucho Castillo
     
  6. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So many great fights:
    Walcott vs. Marciano I
    Basilio-Robinson fights
    Paret vs. Ortega I
    Griffith-Paret I & III
    Patterson vs. Chuvalo
    Norton-Ali II
    Frazier-Ali III
    Arguello vs. Escalera I
    Lee vs. LoCicero
    Weaver vs. Thomas
    Hagler vs. Mugabi
    Mercer vs. Cooper
    Holyfield vs. Bowe I
     
  7. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So many of these guys came so close to winning these fights whereas others, like Walcott in the case of Marciano 1 was having perhaps the best performance of his career up until the 13th. On the other hand, you have fights where Escalera just had the **** pounded out him by Escalera but never once backed off, and even rallied brilliantly on occasion.
     
  8. sweetsci

    sweetsci Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I watched Norton-Quarry again after posting this. The common narrative is that Quarry was totally shot, and Norton steamrolled him. But in watching, Quarry had Norton on his heals with counter left hooks on at least three occasions. Norton would start rounds strong and look like a million bucks, then Quarry would come storming back. The announcing team didn't seem to see what Quarry was landing. Being there gives them a far better perspective, but something was making Norton's head jolt back. Norton was ultimately the stronger fighter, but Quarry kept swinging until the very end. It was a great heavyweight fight.
     
  9. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    EPIC fight! I agree mostly. I do think Norton dominated him from 4 on, but people do often overlook the events of the 3rd in their telling of the tale. Quarry was a ball of fire in the 3rd, pounding Norton with dozens of great shots. Quarry was over the hill, and Norton was the better man. But it was a great slugfest that was kept competitive for both men's parts. It's probably a top 25 greatest heavyweight slugfests of all time imo.
     
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  10. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah there was no quit in Tyson that night. Even after a beating, when he was put down heavily in the 10th with his senses scrambled, his first instinct was to try and grab his fallen gum shield and get up. Compared that with Foreman when he also unbeaten and seen as unbeatable like Tyson, First time Foreman was put down and in trouble against Ali, he sat up and didn’t even make the effort to try and get up because he felt too tired.
     
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  11. Roughhouse

    Roughhouse Active Member Full Member

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    Kelvin Seabrooks when he lost his title to Orlando Canizales
    Pascual Aranda when challenged Antonio Esparragoza

    They both took terrific poundings and kept coming back on sheer will.
     
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  12. 88Chris05

    88Chris05 Active Member Full Member

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    Joe Bugner against Frazier. Very courageous performance and sadly forgotten for a few reasons. As I've said before, the derision Bugner receives from all ends of the British fight fraternity compared to the love-in heaped on Henry Cooper is one of my pet peeves....But that's for another time!

    Whitaker against Trinidad might be worth a shout. The scorecards (which I think were a little wide in any case) make it look like a procession for Tito, but Whitaker was right in it for about seven rounds in which there wasn't much between them until he got his jaw broken. But that's another part of why it was such a commendable losing effort by Pea: smaller guy, way past his best, inactive for sixteen months beforehand, already hooked on drugs, legs totally gone and fighting with an excruciating injury, but he still went the full twelve with a hard-hitting monster and did so without having to run and make it a pure survival job. Well, aside from the odd bit of clowning in the twelfth, but I'll let him off for that under the circumstances.
     
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  13. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I love what you said here. That was a spectacular fight, and an overlooked win for Joe following his defeat at the hands of Foreman.
     
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  14. ronnyrains

    ronnyrains Active Member Full Member

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    Oscar Bonavena's losing performances (Ali, Frazier (2)) actually got him more notoriety than his victories. -Hagler/Duran.
    RON LYLE'S losing effort vs GEORGE FOREMAN!
     
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  15. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He let himself loose through a combination of cocaine and Japanese hookers.