Now there is an overrated wins thread, I'd like to discuss some of the bouts that haven't quite been given the recognition they perhaps deserve. Wilfred Benitez vs Roberto Duran From my understanding, this win for Benitez is rarely very mentioned as a truely great win for El Radar. Duran was never as good of a welterweight as he was lightweight, but considering how dominant Benitez was throughout the entire bout, I would have expected it to get mentioned more. With the exception of him becoming the youngest world champion in his history, this was probably El Radar's finest moment.
Hatton - Tszyu People around here talk about Ricky like he is one step above a journeyman. But he stopped Kostya when he was #2 or #3 p4p and coming off an impressive KO of Sharmba Mitchell.
Lonhro winning the Australian Cup in 2004 has to be one of the most underrated wins of all time. Beyond this, Newcastle over Manly in 1997. Phenomenal.
Hopkins v Tarver. Over 40, jumping 2 weight classes, v undisputed LHW champ, and it was a walkover. I don't feel Hop has been given enough credit for this, it's an amazing achievement. Barrera v Hamed. I don't care what anyone says about Hamed's lack of defence or technique, he was one of the most concussive 1-punch hitters I've ever seen, probably the hardest ever at featherweight, and Barrera jumped a division and dominated him. After winning the Morales series, this is the jewel in the brilliant Barrera crown, but it is underrated because people retrospectively downgrade Hamed coz of the way his career went after this fight. Before it he was a monster at featherweight. Every win James Toney has had at heavyweight. RJJ did achieve an amazing thing jumping up to beat Ruiz, but he is given credit for that. Toney fought as a middleweight for a number of years, and now the pure skill and toughness of the guy allows him to compete regularly with genuine heavyweights. Astonishing. Win over Holyfield esp underrated.
:good :good :good Its really really great what Toney did in the HW division, but everbody just sees the fat washed up guy he became. Nobody has respect for what he did.
This is sort of going back a bit, but I think Carbajal's win over Arce is a bit underrated. Carbajal was getting his ass kicked for 10 plus rounds when he landed a counter right that ended the night. Arce, of course, was young, but he did go on to be undefeated for the next nine years. Carbajal, with one big money fight looming, did the right thing, and retired.
Hatton over Tzyu Hatton was a serious underdog. I remember every perdiction before the fight was that hatton had ben hand fed hand picked opponents and would go down the mintue tzyu landed. You can't decide after a fight that a guy was washed up. Tzyu looked excellent in every showing leading into the fight and was heavily favored to beat Hatton. Calzage over Lacy - Same deal as before Hatton vs Tzyu. Calzage was like a 3-1 underdog leading into the fight and Lacy looked unbeatable and had just. If you are one of the majority of people that was picking Lacy to KO Joe you can't switch up after words and say that Lacy was overhyped same goes for kessler. RJJ over Hopkins and Toney - If you are either a Roy hater or a hopkins or Toney hugger you have used the too green or weight drained excuse and frankly both are stupid.
RJJ over Hopkins and Toney - If you are either a Roy hater or a hopkins or Toney hugger you have used the too green or weight drained excuse and frankly both are stupid.[/quote] I am not a huge RJJ fan, but why are the weight drain excuses stupid? Yes, they are stupid in the fact that Toney had to lose that much weight to make the fight, but it's true that losing weight quick effects anyone. ASK RJJ! Also, was Toney a favorite in this fight, or was RJJ expected to win??
I am not a huge RJJ fan, but why are the weight drain excuses stupid? Yes, they are stupid in the fact that Toney had to lose that much weight to make the fight, but it's true that losing weight quick effects anyone. ASK RJJ! Also, was Toney a favorite in this fight, or was RJJ expected to win??[/quote] Not really sure about that to tell you the truth (about the odds). I think that the weight drain excuse is stupid for a couple of reasons. For starters this was not Jame's first fight at the weight. His fight immidiatly before it was also at 168. If he did lose the weight as quick as his huggers claim he did who's fault is that? It's not like the fight was thrown on him at the last minute or anything. He had a standard timeframe to train and make weight. I've heard such outrageous nuthugging claims as James had to lose 40 pounds in 48 hours. Secondly. James was outclassed from beginning to end. This is not typical of a weight drained guy. They usually tend to fade later on in fights. Take Morales in the 2nd pacquiao fight. He was weight drained (not trying to take from pacman's win here), he performed well early on and simply faded late. RJJ against Tarver (people seem to forget that he won the first fight), he performed well but in spurts. When a guy is weight drained he does perform worse but still at some recognizable level. In Toney vs Jones it was just clear that Jones was the better man that night.
this may sound funny-but fraziers win over ali...the fight itself is remember with great aclaim and glory-but joe's performance is almost never remembered as its' own unique and amazing acheivement
I mean, I can get your point. I personally think RJJ would be a tough fight for Toney no matter what weight class they fought at. As in, even at Toney's best I would favor RJJ. I just don't know if it's overrated Win, I think it has to be considered one of Roy's top 10 or maybe even closer to top 5 wins.