Understanding on the Pac-Mayweather fiasco

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by lastletter26, Nov 25, 2010.


  1. lastletter26

    lastletter26 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    We could have avoided all this if Pac's handlers would have just agreed.


    Everything would have been explained with no argument. If floyd made up another excuse then nobody could argue that floyd is not scared. Still team Pac didn't and it's just stupid to speculate that floyd would come up with something else because the juicing is the only issue he put up, which is still unresolved. So that speculative argument wouldn't even be needed if pac had agreed in the first place. Now all pac side arguers can do is speculate floyd being scared without the proof that pac could have provided by agreeing.

    Now throw in all the deceptive moves that Team Pac (Arum) has made

    1. Floyd backtracked to 14 days from 48hours prior to the fight during the final negotiations of the first try which pac too, conceeded from 30 to 24. No deal and why didn't he take the 14 days? That was very stupid/suspect from all standpoints and reasoning.

    2. Prior to the Floyd vs Mosley fight floyd (in an interview) tells that pac isn't getting any window next time they fight. After the mosley fight Team Pac comes out and says they agree to a 14 day window, which implied to thier loyal followers as well as casual fans that they actually agreed to something that was there to be agreed with. Floyd already withdrew the offer as soon as it was refused the only time.

    3. Team Pac (Arum) makes a huge media move announcing that they have agreed to all demands while claiming he couldn't go into detail as if he was holding G14 classified information. This implied to everyone that Pac had agreed to full testing (don't lie we all thought it). After news breaks, Arum presents his deadline which made alot of media noise while actually being very hollow when looked at indepth. Soon after there were talks of a negotiation as one side claimed negotiations took place while the other claimed they did not take place, the Mayweather's (jeff and Sr.)Claimed that they didn't agree to full OSDT. Then months later 24/7 reveals that pac's camp had conceeded to 7 days. Which is not what was implied.

    As for the Negotiations that did or did not happen. I will break it down like this. Team Mayweather saying no negotiations likely means that Team Pac didn't start out with agreeing to testing. With this the Mayweather's can say there were no negotiations even if other things were some how discussed before the topic came up knowing that nothing got settled until the OSDT got settled. This could be the case in which both sides are telling the truth but it's just a matter of perspective. Technically they did happen while in terms of core substance they did not happen.

    On floyd's vacation. After seeing that nothing had been agreed to I understood him saying he's not thinking about boxing. This thing was going nowhere and alot of pressure from the media had came down hard on him from Arum's huge media ploy. I would only have questioned that if he had fought again this year. What I do not understand is him being silent and waiting so long to say something when he could have revealed what 24/7 did, which was that they only offered 7days and not full OSDT.

    I think the pac side arguments are weak, as far as the facts about everything that has happened while looking at the timeline of events. I do understand the point of view that Floyd is scared of pac even though that kinda gets hurt when looking at mayweather conceeding to 14 days from 48hours, in the final negotiations before the first fight broke down. Still I understand that view/oppinion if it is the main view point and feel it's a strong one. Some have that feeling it's by just looking at it, it's understandable. Still it's hard to argue any of the wierd, deceptive moves made by team pac in regards to the fight being made. Team Pac could have made the fight by fully agreeing twice which would have let us know for sure if floyd was scared or given us the fight. So Like I said, I understand the view that floyd is scared though I don't agree. Still it would seem floyd is very lucky that Pac didn't call his bluff and let us know for sure. That's why I say everything against floyd is speculative because we don't know for sure. Still I understand the feeling some get that he is scared. That is the main weakness in the argument from pac's side when put against the facts about him not agreeing fully while putting out decieving information implying that he did agree. I would respect someone saying that they just feel floyd is scared, then someone arguing that is dodging and just ignoring the suspect moves from the pac side.

    Now to a far other side with what may be going on. With the moves made by Team Pac I just highlighted, combined with the Mayweather move to be silent and then coming out with I'm on vacation and not addressing any issue could be another set up. I never put it past big Business men like Arum to put things like this together. If they were to fight in May 2011, It would prolly be worth 60 mill split now instead of 40 mill the first time or maybe 80 mill. Some of the moves on both sides seem so suspect, as well as stupid, that room is made for such theories as this. I'm not saying I'm sure but I will say that it's a possibility they set up a fight later. One reason being so Pac could cash in a few more times while drawing more and more interest into the fight (more money). We are pretty much starving for this fight and the media is getting it out to all sports fans. The longer they take, the more money the fight will be worth barring either getting beat prior to them fighting.

    AND I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THE FIGHT WOULD HAVE BEEN MADE IF ARUM'S BUSINESS SENSE AND ANOMOSITY WASN'T INVOLVED. He is the only real confirmed snake in the whole saga. If Floyd and Pac were negotiating directly then we would have had the fight.
     
  2. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    yes same old same old things we have 20 threads on everyday but in the meantime floyd is just watching the time go by and keeps silent like always.
     
  3. compukiller

    compukiller Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That was a helluva post.

    Well researched and it made alot of sense.

    I have been saying for awhile now, that it isnt Pac or PBF that is stopping this fight from happening, it's Arum.
     
  4. Pro

    Pro Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why should Floyd say anything about a fight! He's gotta go to court! It wouldn't be able to focus on the task at hand...I never thought I would witness the day that the whole world wanted one man to lose so bad Floyd is like jesus to these *******s.
     
  5. lastletter26

    lastletter26 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :goodHahaha you never can be surpised about how the media works. It is looking more like Rocky vs Apollo with more twist seeing floyds recent legal dealings. People are all up into these guys Celebrity images. I just wanna see it and can care less about anything else.
     
  6. P.4.P.G.O.A.T.

    P.4.P.G.O.A.T. Q Boro Killa Bee Full Member

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    People don't want to admit it but it's true - Arum would rather die than contribute to Floyd's fame and fortune.
     
  7. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    why the **** is he all acting tough saying its a easy fight discrediting pacs record, creating roadblock and starting some propaganda bull**** on peds.
    And when it is time to step up he shuts up and waits for a decline, I hate Arum more then anyone but in my opinion 'Floyd is the one to blame, i dont even care if he beats pacquiao just annoys me how he keeps the fight of the decade from happening.
     
  8. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Fight is not happening guys. Enjoy your thanksgiving!
     
  9. doomeddisciple

    doomeddisciple Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You know what -

    If boxing had one overarching body - Not the same, but like UFC - They would have HAD to fight by now.

    Promoters suck.
     
  10. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    basically you wrote a pro-Floyd anti-Pac post top to bottom.

    the bottom line is that if Floyd had not come up with this "random blood testing, Pac is on steroids" bull****, the fight would have happened.
     
  11. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    You can't AZZk for half the pot when you're always bringing in less revenue. Fight won't happen.
     
  12. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Had emmanuel say he agrees to testing with no cutoffs immediately after he beat marg in the post-fight, in-ring interview, Floyd would have been owned. He didn't say that, so we know he's not down to do it.

    Goodbye fight.
     
  13. boxbox

    boxbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agreed about a lot of things about Arum, But seriously, we all know where it started and its about some baseless accusations thrown in by some crackhead. no its not jr.
     
  14. blur

    blur WLADGLASSJAW Full Member

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    baseless accusations
    asking the little guy to undergo OSDT.
    deal is almost done then he suddenly lost the urge.


    he doesnt want to fight pac.
     
  15. o_money

    o_money Boxing Junkie banned

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    Good read thanks:good...when did Arum admitt to fixing a fight?