Understanding on the Pac-Mayweather fiasco

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by lastletter26, Nov 25, 2010.


  1. lastletter26

    lastletter26 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If your core belief that Floyd is scared and using this as an excuse then more power too you. I understand that POV, Just don't ignore the things that transpired like most of the pac side do on this site and understand that that POV is a speculation itself. If one agrees or disagrees, they have to understand. If one does not understand why floyd's side arguments, then one does not really understand or he is letting other illogical things come into play like fan love or hate. I put this out to explain what happened from both sides.

    I wrote what happened. It wasn't pro anyone, the situation explained like this seems more floyd because that is what happened:deal. The bottom line is we can only speculate about reasons behind what floyd has done because it makes sense if he or his camp genuinely feel pac is on something. We can only speculate on if Floyd feels pac is on something or if floyd is using the issue to avoid him. Nothing set in stone, just a feeling that floyd is doing this. IMO using this PED excuse would be very risky, in that floyd would be banking on pac not calling his bluff. That is a huge and stupid risk for someone actually scared of someone to bank on his opponent not calling his bluff with 40million on the line. But you never know because there is no way to find out absolutely unless pac called his bluf.

    On another note I do believe mayweather cherishes his 0 more than the money though his celebrity image implies the opposite.

    I know and state that I don't know some things but most of the pac side base thier arguments off things they don't know, such as speculation of one man's thought process without any action to confirm that. The points I put out about Team Pac's (arum's) decieving acts are not really points, they are just facts to reference when I'm talking about the decieving acts of team pac. They are in fact what happened as far as all of Pac and Mayweather's moves during this whole thing. When making your speculation that mayweather is scared of pac just know that it is only speculation or a feeling based on what has happened. We don't know if he is genuine or not. We know pac has been decieving.
     
  2. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    I never said that so I don't see how you would conclude that it's my "core belief".

    You write a lot but it's full of bull**** and half-hearted assumptions.
     
  3. lastletter26

    lastletter26 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Thanks, you made me check behind myself. I just took that part off. There were only allegations that were investigated but never proven. He was caught bribing an IBF official in 1995.
     
  4. Pro

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    I know your a fan of what Pac can do in the ring but he hasn't whipped any one as good as Floyd Mayweather so off top he can say whatever he wants to Pac as far as Pac not taking the test is this a sport where mens lives are at stake if Floyd or his father or you for that matter had any suspicion that a athlete is on something in this day and age or just even want to make the assumption as that athlete whose being asked of this you should be eager to want to make Floyd look stupid and get his ass in the ring and make it that much sweeter with a victory...but you want Floyd to answer to Manny for what? Mannu knows how to get this fight done Roach knows Arum knows You know and the world knows...my question is if the world want s Floyd to say something have Manny sign off on the contract with the stated agreements...I bet you get a response then...but Floyd is not going to anything until his personal life is straight he's not stupid he has to be focused for Pac or he could very well lose.
     
  5. DobyZhee

    DobyZhee Loyal Member

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    I blame Ricky Hatton getting the f*ck knocked out. Had Pac gone easy on him, Floyd woulda signed on the dotted line long time ago.
     
  6. lastletter26

    lastletter26 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's More like an estimate than an assumption of what you likely believe. You don't have to say it's your core belief of the pac vs floyd situation. You are way pro pac. If it isn't your belief that Floyd is Scared of pac then why have you ever argued about anything in the floyd vs Pac situation before? I don't know where you are coming from if you don't think floyd is scared. So that's why I said I understand if someone feels that way. I don't understand why someone would feel floyd is not scared of pac and still blame it on floyd for not getting the fight made by using a steriod excuse. Not bull****, just logic. What would any pac fan be arguing for if they didn't think floyd was scared.

    I pretty much cover all assumptions from either side as well as the facts of what happened in the timeline. That's all I expressed. If the situation seems pro floyd then maybe the situation is. Who knows, we are ants in this.

    You never said anything about those decieving acts I posted. You got to feel that there is nothing to say because they happened.

    Lastly, you might as well put no-hearted assumptions because I don't put any heart into it as opposed to your full-hearted assumptions. I come to my conclusions by what happened. The only think I concluded in my whole post is that Team Pac has made decieving moves and that floyd's silence made me question his motives. Besides that I showed how all of the pac side arguments are based on speculation.
     
  7. lastletter26

    lastletter26 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Goodnight Fellas. I'll answer any questions tommorrow. Happy Thanksgiving and have a good night. Peace.

    And please don't ask me anything I've covered in the original post.
     
  8. punisher

    punisher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Spot on.
     
  9. PATSYS

    PATSYS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    All I can say is that Floyd never really had any plans of fighting Pac.

    He offered 14 days and was holding his breath with this bluff. Boy, what a sigh of relief he must have felt when Pac did not agree initially.

    But now that Pac agreed, if Floyd really wanted to fight, he could just say yes. Why couldn't he agree now????
     
  10. punisher

    punisher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What has Pac agreed to, on paper?
     
  11. PIPO23

    PIPO23 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The only thing you have to understand is Floyd and his crew are all primadonnas that think they run BOXING.
     
  12. punisher

    punisher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Interesting....both are Divas, IMO. You think we will ever see Pac fight in anything other than 8oz Reyes gloves, at this point? Probably not. Because, he will have HIS preference in any fight, where his opponent feels obliged to agree. The CWs fall into the same category, as DIVA type requirements. Does that mean Pac and his crew "think they run BOXING"? Of course not. The fighters are free to negotiate glove size and weight. And they are at liberty to negotiate drug testing methods, as well. In both cases, the fighters are exercising their rights.
     
  13. Farmboxer

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    I have no respect for woman beaters. Void is void.
     
  14. lastletter26

    lastletter26 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Pac hasn't agreed or atleast his handlers have not. He's said more than once that he's agreed but never gets into detail, only for the documented agreement/proposal to say something else like 7 days. If he has agreed to Full OSDT then show me.

    As for your bluff speculation. I already covered how stupid it would be for floyd to bluff with 40mill on the line as well as how stupid it was for Team Pac to not call that bluff.

    Lastly. If you say that floyd needs to make the fight, you have to say that manny needs to agree to full OSDT. It's a two sided coin and both are locked with eachother. To see some declare something while ignoring the other obvious part is pretty sad. Too much emotional attachment to these two actors.
     
  15. lastletter26

    lastletter26 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You have no respect for any fast, skillful, athletic, defensive fighters either. Atleast that's what all your post tell me.