Understanding The Desperation Of The "7 Days" Complainers vs Pac

Devildoc · Oct 26, 2010

titan said: ↑

**** these dumb *****s.

you make posting in the gen forum an intolerable experience.

you guys are dumbing down this forum.

"do you know what hypothetical means??" just like do you know what "floored means". ****ing idiots.
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puso mo boss. LOL post na lang tayo ng pics sa tambayan.

( . Y . ) :hey

bambamz · Oct 26, 2010

bald_head_slick said: ↑

I don't worship him you fool. The man punches people in the face for a living.

Clown. Sit on the sidelines when grown men talk.
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im pretty sure YOU DO and so does MOST of the Members Here agree :smoke

causality · Oct 26, 2010

bald_head_slick said: ↑

I can care less about what FMJ does in his off time. His personal life doesn't matter to me. Couldn't hang debating so you are off to the ******* crap?

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You want to debate that Floyd is not on vacation? :rofl:rofl:rofl

NALLEGE · Oct 26, 2010

paulfv said: ↑

Since it has come out in the first Pacquiao vs Margarito 24/7 that Team Pacquiao agreed to a 7-day cut-off for the blood testing and not a "0-day" cutoff for blood testing, some writers and posters who should know better have been trumpeting this "discovery" as some kind of vindication of their private conspiracy theories or are simply using the new information to continue to smear Manny Pacquiao and/or give credence to Floyd Mayweather's 2-time ducking of the Filipino pound-for-pound king.

Let's put a stop to this nonsense.

Many on here probably don't know a PED -- or how PED testing works -- from their own backside, and thus have no idea what they're talking about with regards to this issue. In fact, this is what Floyd Mayweather seems to be relying on in his manic desire to avoid fighting Pacquiao: The ignorance of the boxing public.

As most know, Floyd was advised both by his own medical expert(s) in the first round of negotiations as well as his team to agree to the 14-day (or was it 21 days?) window supposedly agreed on by Team Pacquiao in order to make the fight. Floyd refused, and the fight did not get made.

After ducking Pacquiao the first time, Mayweather then said that was the last time Pac would get the 14-day window offer. So what did Team Pacquiao do during the next round of negotiations (which Floyd apparently flat-out lied about and said never took place)?

He agreed to a 7-day window in order to get the fight with Mayweather made. That is, he budged. He compromised, agreed to stipulations to satisfy wild conspiracy theories that almost no other fighter in the sport has had to deal with. But he did it anyways. And what happened?

Floyd went on vacation and allegedly beat up his baby momma.

Now, let's turn to the 7-days vs 0-days issue, itself.

My own experience with PEDs comes from having been a powerlifter in my past (never used PEDs but knew many who did) as well as having a former world-class powerlifter as a brother who worked with some of the top nutritional supplement experts from around the world in several business ventures and his own competitive training.

Couple of things, then:

* You cannot run any kind of steroid, HGH or other muscle-building program in 7 days.

This should be obvious to anyone with even a slight knowledge of working out. That is, you're not making any meaningful gains in 7 days. Particularly as you lead up to a fight in which you have to be fresh heading into the ring (vs doing hard muscle building work the last week before a fight) and when you are going to be tested right after the fight. You're literally talking here, at best, like a 4-day window to get any kind of steroid/HGH/etc "gains." If you think this is at all meaningful, you don't know anything about PED's or training, and I have a bridge to sell you located in Manhattan.

* The only possible, meaningful PED's you could hope to use in a 7-day window would be things like amphetamines or other 'day-of' boosters

What I'm talking about here are things like Major League Baseball "greenies" or whatever Panama Lewis put in Aaron Pryor's drink bottle. That is, some kind of same-day drug that increases your immunity to pain (like the injections which Floyd supposedly used on his fragile hands in training), heightens your nervous system alertness, etc.

One problem with this, though: You have to take a post-fight drug test and you will be caught if you try this. Unless, of course, you're a know-nothing or conspiracy theorist who somehow, someway, thinks that Pac has some "magic pill" amphetamine he can take for like 4 days before the fight that will -- voila! -- give him supernatural powers come fight night but yet not show up on a drug test.

That pill doesn't exist.

Or, perhaps you think Pacquiao has gotten into untestable gene therapy. Yeah, that's it; that's the ticket. I think Pac got the latest techniques on gene therapy when the UFO flew over New York City last week or whatever.

Or, if you understand PED's and training, and how the PR game is played, you might come to the conclusion that Team Mayweather did their homework, realized that Pacquiao blamed his first loss to Eric Morales on a blood test he took beforehand and thus Team Mayweather understood that they could play a public relations game and both duck Pacquiao and pretend they were doing so on principle, to help "clean up the sport," of course, not for any personal reasons (beating up baby momma allegations notwithstanding in terms of "cleaning up the sport," of course).

This is where some noted authors on the sport are at: Conspiracy-Theory Land or Ignoranceville. They think you're dumb, or they are ignorant themselves on how PED's and testing works. Even Victor Conte, who first tried to defend Mayweather's refusal to accept the 14-day window, has come clean on how irrelevant this time period is. And that was 14 days.

And so we're left with supposed boxing "experts" trying to make a distinction without a difference. That is, if you agree to a 7-day cutoff on blood testing, you are, in effect, conceding to a 0-day cutoff. Anything in your blood for 3-5 days before the fight is almost certainly going to be caught on the fight night drug test. You can't build relevant muscle in 7 days, especially as you go into the "cool down/recover" phase before a prize fight. If you try to sneak amphetamines or EPO in on fight night, you'll be caught, not to mention your body won't be used to it because you're introducing it so late in your training phase.

Did Team Pac "lie" about the 0-day agreement? It seems they did. Does it matter? No, not in terms of how it affects either negotiations or performance on fight night.

Floyd still doesn't or didn't want the fight. Maybe that will change one day, or maybe, as Pac suggested in comparing Floyd's achievements to his own in the first 24/7 for the Margarito bout, he just doesn't care to chase a 2-time ducker anymore and Pac will simply move on from Floyd. As Pacquiao said, he feels he no longer "needs" Floyd for his legacy and that would seem to be correct, particularly as Pacquiao is chasing a title in a record-extending 8th weight division.

If any writer tries to make a point on this "7-Day" issue, understand they have an agenda. And the agenda is not "the truth," it is to try to diminish Pacquiao and likely raise up or protect a man who twice dodged Pacquiao. This is unfortunate, but their ruse only works if you're stupid enough to let them con you with their words and misguided concepts.

Be smart.
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The truth is that all of the underlined is lies and bull**** lol...

NALLEGE · Oct 26, 2010

bambamz said: ↑

im pretty sure YOU DO and so does MOST of the Members Here agree :smoke
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Every last one of you *******s who have a pic in their avy of PAc should never call Floyd's fans worshippers of Floyd lol...

NALLEGE · Oct 26, 2010

titan said: ↑

**** these dumb *****s.

you make posting in the gen forum an intolerable experience.

you guys are dumbing down this forum.

"do you know what hypothetical means??" just like do you know what "floored means". ****ing idiots.
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You **** head *******s are doing the same thing. And now you done all went and put Pac in your avy...as if you know boxing. Wait until PAc retires, and we'll see if you follow boxing anymore lol...

causality · Oct 26, 2010

NALLEGE said: ↑

Every last one of you *******s who have a pic in their avy of PAc should never call Floyd's fans worshippers of Floyd lol...
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Floyd's fans are worshippers of Floyd :rasta:rasta:rasta

bambamz · Oct 26, 2010

NALLEGE said: ↑

You **** head *******s are doing the same thing. And now you done all went and put Pac in your avy...as if you know boxing. Wait until PAc retires, and we'll see if you follow boxing anymore lol...
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Except that you Gay ass *****s do it 10x Worse :smoke

you dont know shite about Baxing

NALLEGE · Oct 26, 2010

bambamz said: ↑

Except that you Gay ass *****s do it 10x Worse :smoke

you dont know shite about Baxing
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'What the **** is "baxing", and every boxing fan on earth knows that a ******* watches boxing only because of Pac. All of you
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!@ head *******s will leave this forum when PAc loses again or retires, and all of the boxing forums will be able to talk boxing instead of talking about how an active PAc would beat Duran, Sweetpea, Armstrong, Joe Louis, Rocky and Ali lol...

paulfv · Oct 26, 2010

J.E.Cash said: ↑

You're reversing the order a bit there. First time Floyd offered 14; then Manny insisted on 21 (after 14 was offered). Second time Floyd said 0, then after Floyd said 0, Manny said 7.

I'm not playing any games, I said 7 was reasonable and should have been accepted. You're the one who can't look at the situation from an unbiased approach. I don't give a damn about either Floyd or Manny, so can look at it from outside and say, first Manny messed it up by not accepting 14 when it was on the table; second time Floyd messed it up by not acceoting the 7.
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Again, you're wrong. I'm being unbiased. The point is this: The original number of days, 21 I guess, was agreed upon by Team Floyd and his medical expert(s). But Floyd balked at it when everyone else was on board, including Pac and his team.

Floyd killed the fight the first time. There is no way around that.

You are playing the game, and that is unfortunate. You are getting caught up in numerical games while missing the larger point: There isn't a correct answer for Floyd. Whatever he says he would agree to will be moved if and when Pacquiao accepts that term. 21 days? Ok with his team and his medical expert. Not ok with Floyd. 14 days? Not ok any more. 7 days? Apparently still not enough.

Pacquiao agreed to submit to a testing routine that Floyd came up with out of nowhere, for no reason. With no evidence. He has since worked down the number of days beyond any reasonable standard. Still not enough. Now, the number is "0."

The point of the thread is to demonstrate the idiocy of Floyd and his fans' "reasoning" on this issue. The hardest thing in the world is to disprove a negative. Can you prove to me you never took anything? Well, even if you test clean, then someone -- as shown in this thread -- can always say Pac's taking stuff that can't be detected.

Floyd chose this ruse for two reasons: 1) He knew Pac blamed the Morales loss on a blood test; and 2) It's very difficult, if not impossible, to disprove a negative. And if you don't want to be logical about the issue, you don't have to be. That's why his propagandists swarm these boards with red herring arguments, to confuse the issue and catch gullible people in supposedly relevant concerns about Pac, drug testing, etc.

You are perfectly within your rights to play the "cutoff day" game. The numerology. If you want to see the trees and miss the forest, go for it. Just don't expect a lot more indulgence from me while doing so. You are participating in Floyd's game. Exactly how he wants you to.

NALLEGE · Oct 26, 2010

paulfv said: ↑

Again, you're wrong. I'm being unbiased. The point is this: The original number of days, 21 I guess, was agreed upon by Team Floyd and his medical expert(s). But Floyd balked at it when everyone else was on board, including Pac and his team.

Floyd killed the fight the first time. There is no way around that.

You are playing the game, and that is unfortunate. You are getting caught up in numerical games while missing the larger point: There isn't a correct answer for Floyd. Whatever he says he would agree to will be moved if and when Pacquiao accepts that term. 21 days? Ok with his team and his medical expert. Not ok with Floyd. 14 days? Not ok any more. 7 days? Apparently still not enough.

Pacquiao agreed to submit to a testing routine that Floyd came up with out of nowhere, for no reason. With no evidence. He has since worked down the number of days beyond any reasonable standard. Still not enough. Now, the number is "0."

The point of the thread is to demonstrate the idiocy of Floyd and his fans' "reasoning" on this issue. The hardest thing in the world is to disprove a negative. Can you prove to me you never took anything? Well, even if you test clean, then someone -- as shown in this thread -- can always say Pac's taking stuff that can't be detected.

Floyd chose this ruse for two reasons: 1) He knew Pac blamed the Morales loss on a blood test; and 2) It's very difficult, if not impossible, to disprove a negative. And if you don't want to be logical about the issue, you don't have to be. That's why his propagandists swarm these boards with red herring arguments, to confuse the issue and catch gullible people in supposedly relevant concerns about Pac, drug testing, etc.

You are perfectly within your rights to play the "cutoff day" game. The numerology. If you want to see the trees and miss the forest, go for it. Just don't expect a lot more indulgence from me while doing so. You are participating in Floyd's game. Exactly how he wants you to.
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You are posting more with a hypothesis than what actually transpired. Get off of PAc's dick damn. Floyd can fight, and he isn't a punk or coward like you think he is. You don't even mathematically have an equation, remedy, or right to utter the pathetic attempt at bull**** that you're trying to post. You come off biased-and you want to, and like the other fake ass haters...come across phony as well lol...

MAIN · Oct 26, 2010

Both guys are liars...one fcuks different women, the other fcuks up women...they both are to b blamed....one is about to fight a cheater while the other liar took a vacation....however, u tell me who don't want to fight

titan · Oct 26, 2010

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NALLEGE said: ↑

You **** head *******s are doing the same thing. And now you done all went and put Pac in your avy...as if you know boxing. Wait until PAc retires, and we'll see if you follow boxing anymore lol...
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:|:|:| woman beaters. crack heads. :rofl

kartog · Oct 26, 2010

sdsfinest22 said: ↑

:good:hi: READ THE WHOLE POST..NOT BAD..

STILL LIED AND U ADMITTED IT..THATS BOTTOM LINE:deal

WHY HE LYING...WHY THEY CANT JUST PUT IT OUT THERE LIKE FLOYD...

FLOYD CLEARLY SAID POST MOSLEY FIGHT "UP UNTIL THE DAY OF"

BY AGREEING TO 7 DAYS THAT DID AS MUCH AS NOTHING OBVIOUSLY..

ILL SAY IT AGAIN.."IF PAC DOES NOT TAKE THE TESTS UP UNTIL THE DAY OF THE FIGHT THIS FIGHT WILL NEVER HAPPEN".

BUT HEY PAC SAID HIMSELF HE DONT NEED FLOYD RIGHT SO THERE U HAVE IT..GUY IS SCARED OF SOME DRUG TESTING..ANYONE ELSE WOULDA BEEN TAKEN THE TESTS..

BACK TO THE THREAD THOUGH...U ADMITTED URSELF HE LIED...UUUHHHH UR FAULT:hi:
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And because the whims and caprices of Floyd weren't satisfied, Floyd has the right to duck this fight? Is that your point?

Isn't taking this stand making you look stupid? First, the 7-day cutoff is virtually equivalent to testing until fight time, so why does Floyd insist on 0-day? Either he was banking on Pacquiao being mentally uncomfortable with blood being drawn that close to the fight thus throwing out the moronic PED claims out the window, or he's just being the ducker that he really is. Either way, the world knows who the morons here are.

kartog · Oct 26, 2010

paulfv said: ↑

Again, you're wrong. I'm being unbiased. The point is this: The original number of days, 21 I guess, was agreed upon by Team Floyd and his medical expert(s). But Floyd balked at it when everyone else was on board, including Pac and his team.

Floyd killed the fight the first time. There is no way around that.

You are playing the game, and that is unfortunate. You are getting caught up in numerical games while missing the larger point: There isn't a correct answer for Floyd. Whatever he says he would agree to will be moved if and when Pacquiao accepts that term. 21 days? Ok with his team and his medical expert. Not ok with Floyd. 14 days? Not ok any more. 7 days? Apparently still not enough.

Pacquiao agreed to submit to a testing routine that Floyd came up with out of nowhere, for no reason. With no evidence. He has since worked down the number of days beyond any reasonable standard. Still not enough. Now, the number is "0."

The point of the thread is to demonstrate the idiocy of Floyd and his fans' "reasoning" on this issue. The hardest thing in the world is to disprove a negative. Can you prove to me you never took anything? Well, even if you test clean, then someone -- as shown in this thread -- can always say Pac's taking stuff that can't be detected.

Floyd chose this ruse for two reasons: 1) He knew Pac blamed the Morales loss on a blood test; and 2) It's very difficult, if not impossible, to disprove a negative. And if you don't want to be logical about the issue, you don't have to be. That's why his propagandists swarm these boards with red herring arguments, to confuse the issue and catch gullible people in supposedly relevant concerns about Pac, drug testing, etc.

You are perfectly within your rights to play the "cutoff day" game. The numerology. If you want to see the trees and miss the forest, go for it. Just don't expect a lot more indulgence from me while doing so. You are participating in Floyd's game. Exactly how he wants you to.
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Well, good luck convincing these turds.
On the other hand, I suggest you lay off them. I think these guys know the real score, they're just being assholes. :rofl

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