Undeserving Heavyweight Challengers

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  1. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    On the Alfredo Evangilista search,,,,,,,,
    In 1977, versus Muhammad Ali, he was completely undeserving.

    In November (11/10/78} 1978, versus Larry Holmes, he may have been on the
    borderline.
    He was more deserving versus Larry Holmes though.

    Since his loss to Muhammad Ali in 1977.
    He went 9-0-0 (7 KO's).
    He won the European Championship by knocking-out (KO 11) Lucien Rodriguez.
    And defended it twice, by knocking-out (KO 1) Jean-Pierre Coopman
    and beating W Dec 15 Billy Aird.

    Included were wins over KO 8 Pedro Soto (#1 Puerto Rico Heavyweight) and
    a decision (W Split-Dec) over Jody Ballard (Larry Holmes sparring partner).

    The clincher, which got him a title shot.
    A victory (KO 8} over Jacob Tchanthuing.
    Tchanthuing was 22-0-0 (20 KO's), an undefeated 27 year-old heavyweight out of
    Cameroon, and the Caribbean Heavyweight Champion, who was ranked #9 by the WBC,
    and in-line for a shot against Larry Holmes, at the time he fought Evangilista.
     
  2. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    This is a case when the third most deserving challenger is still far more desreving than some number ones...use your brain, twat.

    And I love Cooper but in a non-homo way. Cooper hates homos.
     
  3. The Mongoose

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    Quality hair splitting, mate. But an Alfredo is an Alfredo does.
     
  4. red cobra

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    Jean Pierre Coopman
     
  5. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You know,,,,,,,,March 29, 1966

    George Chuvalo versus Muhammad Ali was not worthy..........

    And Floyd Patterson didn't really earn a shot versus Jimmy Ellis in September 1968.

    Roy Harris and Tom McNeeley,,,,,,,,,,,,both could be questioned.
    Padded records, and a few debated wins over Top 10 Contenders.
     
  6. The Mongoose

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    Clearly, Ali and Patterson are the only Champions in history to defend against unworthy challengers. Except of course when they were the unworthy challengers themselves.
     
  7. Il Duce

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    Goose,

    Floyd Patterson was an unworthy challenger in his rematch with Johansson II.
    The way Floyd lost (7 knock-downs) was not a qualifier for a rematch.
    Of course the contracts said different.

    And INGO, was not a worthy challenger for the Patterson III fight.
    Not the way he lost, quivering legs.
     
  8. The Mongoose

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    :lol:

    So did Pattreson and Ali overcome their differences for but one night and gang bang your mom or what?
     
  9. Il Duce

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    WBC Eliminator,,,

    Yes it's true,

    #6 Alfredo Evangilista vs. #9 Jacob Tchanthiung

    Box-Rec does not have Tchanthiung's fights listed.

    He was 6' 7" (not 6' 1").
    And he had a record of 22-0-0 (20 KO's)
    Not sure what the competition was, but the WBC rated him #9.
    Caribbean Heavyweight Champion.
    Island Boxing News had him listed as 27 years-old, and (27-0-0) (25 KO's),
    and in-line for a shot at Larry Holmes for November 1978
     
  10. TBooze

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    Jackson, yes, I agree with you. The bit of debate from their first fight added to a couple of wins over fringe contenders gave Jackson some credibility.

    Williams is a tough one. He was a name, he had not lost for a few years, but it was over four years since he had beat a credible contender. But there have been a lot worse, who got a shot.

    I will add a potentially controversial one into the mix; Ron Lyle. Yes he was good, but should any fighter be challenging for the biggest prize in sports, if they are coming off a defeat to another contender? It did not happen to Mercer, Ferguson rightly got the shot after upsetting the Merciless one...
     
  11. jdr

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    what a load of utter shite you ***
     
  12. Il Duce

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    Tommy 'Hurricane' Jackson was pretty well done after the Patterson I fight.
    Though the decision was close in that fight, most in the know realized
    Tommy was fading fast.

    Throw out The Ring Magazine ratings,,,,,as the #1 Rated Heavyweight.
    He was nowhere near the fighter he once was.

    Eddie Machen, Zora Folley, Willie Pastrano, Pat McMurty and even Nino Valdes all were more worthy in 1957.
    In the Patterson II fight, Jackson took a frightful pounding.
     
  13. TBooze

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    Jackson did take a licking. And I have little doubt, most figured it an easy Patterson win, pre fight. But there was enough on Jackson's record going in, to sell him as a deserving challenger.
     
  14. TheGreatA

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    Jackson faded fast after Patterson gave him a beating, beat the hell out of him with Jackson trying his best. After his first fight with Patterson, Jackson was probably the most highly regarded he ever was. He deserved the shot as the number 1 challenger who had taken the champion to a split decision, that much should be obvious.

    The rest of the list were lucky to get a shot, but champions don't defend their title against top contenders 4 times a year. There's bound to be easy fights in between.
     
  15. Il Duce

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    Both of Tommy Jackson's victories over Bob Baker were close.
    And Baker was not in good physical shape (spare-tire waisted)
    for both bouts.

    And in his tune-bout before his title fight with Patterson II, Jackson did not look good
    in his decision win over journey-man Julio Mederos.