Unfinished Business: Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez III & undercard RBR

I've still only given it the one complete viewing so far. It might take a few days to be able to revisit with a cool head and try to approach it with fresh eyes.

I don't know how likely my score is to change, though. From about the fifth on, it was the Right Hand Show and while many moments were tit-for-tat Marquez never seemed as discombobulated by any of the straight lefts or right hooks that he took as Pac did from jarring right hand lead after jarring right hand lead. I guess some extra attention will need to be paid to the 12th to see what all this commotion was from the people who insist it was Pac's. Other than that, after his strong start in the first four I really didn't see any but the 10th for him and with hardly any wiggle room. :think We'll see how the second viewing goes.

 

Yes.

You know why?

That's why!!!


Nobody ever takes me seriously!!

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(actually, that was just for that one screen-cap. I was kind of unsure as to whether anyone would believe me, as it was hard to believe my own eyes. The CompuBox & PunchZone screencaps were to reference back to in future discussions about the scoring here, of which there are sure to be COUNTLESS down the road... I seriously now think that all of HBO's statistics - once taken for granted as "probably accurate enough" but still not the be-all end-all in scoring rounds - are subject to outright skepticism, or at least being taken with a very large grain of salt)

 

That guy makes a compelling case for the 118-110 card. :think I'm not married to the idea of a clear Pacquiao round in any but the 1st and 10th (which are indeed the two the author there did give him). There is certainly more wiggle room in the 2nd and 4th for MP on my card than there is for the 3rd, 5th-9th, and 11th for JMM. The only negotiable round I gave Marquez IMO was the 12th.

 

Did you have it recorded or is it on Youtube?

I just checked HBOGO from my phone and it isn't there yet; my feeling is that it might not be until after the replay on HBO this coming Saturday.

I'd prefer to have my second viewing be in Hi-Def to ensure optimal quality and catch every detail, so it might be the end of the week before my revised go-around in scoring.

 

What changed your mind about the 6th and 12th?

...are you blaming Primetime's commentary for influencing your initial live card?

 

Evident throughout this thread dating back to real time during the match and in the scores of threads in its wake is that the majority feels Marquez won and that it wasn't all that close to the point where it could go either way. A minority feel it was. Almost nobody outside of Filipinos and known irrational Pacquiao apologists has indicated they felt the official decision with its 116-112 for Pacquiao was just.

Even this article from the Entertainment and Sports Pacquiao Network is by its tone very suggestive of Pacquiao getting a gift and Marquez coal in his stocking - despite not coming out and saying it:
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/7229793/five-things-learned-card

It still sits the fence in noncommittal safety, but for ESPN this is shockingly objective. Expect Mulvaney to be shitcanned soon for going against the party line. :yep

Not a bad article at all, really.

I find this Bob Papa quote interesting - "Even though feels like JMM won, I had draw. You MUST score each Rd and write it down Then add up at end. 'Feel' & actual score differ often."

It's funny, because there are people here on ESB saying that it "felt" like it was probably close but then claim not to have scored it on a round by round basis. I have to imagine that if anyone with knowledge of how to score - and without bias - were to actually go through and do so they'd discover it wasn't as close as it "felt" and arrive at a comfortable lead for Marquez.