Unfinished Business: Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez III & undercard RBR

I actually had the contrary. It felt like a robbery because because of rounds 5 and 7. but if you do an RBR scoring. You'd discover that it was a close fight.

 

I don't think either guy did a whole lot. They were both scared of one another. This is another reason to bring back the 15 round championship bout. More rounds are needed in fights like that to have a definitive winner. I saw most of the rounds as so close that they could legitimately be called evenly. Watch it again, if you can without falling asleep, and score it again, with the option to call a round even. See who really "won" the bout. I don't think either guy was doing much to earn the rounds clearly. When I judge a fight, I feel that the onus is upon the fighters to convince me that they won the round, or else I score it even. Neither man convinced me very often. To me, it was like a chess match with two guys who neutralized each other so well that there was no checkmate but rather a stalemate. Hence, I think the card that had it a draw was correct. I don't think Marquez was executing a winning plan as much as a 'keep Manny off me' plan, to never take any risks, and do nothing but counter. Sure that plan worked, but that isn't the way to win, but just to keep it close. Manny hit him plenty of less powerful blows that might have gone unnoticed by many. JM made sure Manny didn't land the big one. But without Manny leading, there would have been no fight whatsoever, as shown when Manny did not lead - there were big pockets of inactivity. Neither man took the rounds in clear fashion. This was not a computer points amateur fight, but a professional world championship where people have paid millions to see both men give best efforts, which the fighters did not do. If your plan is to stink the joint out, it does not mean you deserve to win just because you were successful in executing that plan. Watch the first two fights and then watch the third and then tell me whether you think either of those fighters gave it their best efforts, to give the fans their money's worth, to clearly win rounds, or came anywhere near close to giving it their all, or whether both were extremely risk averse.

 

I kinda blame Pac more for this "boring" fight. He should have been more aggresive, let it all loose like the old devil-may-care harder to read style. You never go into a chess match with JMM. Never!

 

Just because they failed to excite you doesn't mean they should be penalised.

Marquez has built a hof legacy with his counter punching. Hes one of the best counter punchers of our time. Why does he have to be a slugger to catch your eye? And using 1 and 2 to judge the third fight is extremely stupid.

Bottom line is pac tried to lead. Marquez tried to step out and counter. Marquez was more successful at his plan. Pac failed at his in the majority of rounds. Hence marquez deserved to win more rounds

 

My feelings about the first two fights has nothing to do with how I scored it, but everything to do with how I felt about the bout. And when I plunk down $55, and the fighters are earning many millions of dollars, I expect them to take more risks than they did. The other fights simply prove to me that these two could have done more had they so chosen.

 

Yes, because I have seen them do it in recent bouts no more than a year old. They kept a slow pace because they were both extremely afraid of getting hit. A world class fighter should have enough confidence in his defense to be able to step into range and punch.

 

Yup he could have countered more just like in fights 1 and 2 but he could also have scored the occasional KD. He fought JMM's fight.

 

, well jmm came in heavier than pac.

 

unofficially, jmm won.

but officially jmm lost. :rasta

 

It's interesting because I felt like Manny was getting whooped after round five. Then I looked at my scorecard and noticed that I had him up by a round. It's telling how a scorecard can show something so different than how a fight feels. I thought Manny edged some of the quieter rounds with Marquez decisively taking certain rounds. I scored a draw.