Unlucky Fighters

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Addie, Sep 26, 2010.


  1. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Tangent! I play Football every Sunday. We have to be careful about playing the offside rule, because then we are effectively putting our trust in the linesmen. They are human, they are not infallible and are certainly capable of error. Given the level of football that we actually play, the linesman are usually substitutes so they aren't even really qualified. That doesn't really have anything to do with the thread, other than you can certainly draw comparisons between that and fighters throughout history who have employed strategies that either aren't favored by judges or aren't appreciated by judges.

    Gerry Penalosa is a prime example. He's always employed a very sturdy defense in all of his fights, which has allowed him to continue well into his 30s, still fighting at the very top level. That being said, rather than actually maneuvering out of the way of punches altogether, he employs a high guard, and covers up well on the inside to minimize the effect of his opponents shots, not allowing the fighters to create leverage. I'm impressed by this, I go, "Wow, look, Gerry is defending expertly here, hardly any of the opponents punches are actually landing or being effective". However, the judges could be taking a different stance and this is often reflected in the scoring.

    Also a factor in a lot of Gerry's losses earlier in his career would be his decision making. He fought Japanese fighters on multiple occasions in their own back yard, and as any educated Boxing fan will tell you, this is a risky thing for a world caliber fighter. I don't know if they are swayed by the overzealous crowd, but hometown decisions are frequent in this sport, and I tend to think that has always been the case. Gerry could have been dominating rounds against Japanese fighters, and showing great defense in the manner in which I earlier explained, but that would give the judges more than enough reason to score on aggression.

    Discuss. Which fighters have typically been very unlucky with the judges? Why do you think this was? Stylistic reasons? Hometown decisions? Perhaps they were just unlucky a lot of the time. Tell the Classic!
     
  2. Woller

    Woller Active Member Full Member

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    Glen Johnson always meant that he was on the wrong end of a lot of decisions.

    Woller
     
  3. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Hiroyuki ebihara.

    Very very talented fighter, but unfortuntate to be fighting under the shadow of fighting Harada while having little choice but to accept tough world title fights in the of Thailand and Argentina against top-notch local opposition.

    Oh, and Dave Sands, Masao Ohba, salvador Sanchez of course...
     
  4. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    marlon starling
    sanderline williams
    henry wharton
    lindell holmes
     
  5. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    Marquez could've been a real legend of the ring if the close decisions had gone his way. He wouldn't have been strong-armed in fighting Floyd at 147 after only two fights at 135 either.

    that being said I think he lost to Norwood, lost both fights to Pac, and drew with John. But they all could've gone his way arguably as many will point out.
     
  6. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Yeah, I expected to hear Marquez's name soon enough. He's a great shout.
     
  7. sportofkings

    sportofkings Boxing Junkie banned

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    Winky Wright has been unlucky on some occasions,i wouldnt call them outright robberies or anything but definetly unfortunate in close decisions
     
  8. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Vince Phillips.
     
  9. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    One of the unluckiest of all time...criminally so, is the man in my avatar, Jimmy Young, and of course, Ken Buchanan...courtesy of a 13th round low blow.
     
  10. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Do people actually believe Buchanan was going to beat Duran?
     
  11. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Emanuel Augustus and Leonard Dorin come to mind as well.
     
  12. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    No, not on that night, or maybe not on any other night,,but that's debateable...but he WOULD have made it to the final bell were he not fouled..had there been a better referee..a more attentive and fair referee that is.
     
  13. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    As long as we agree that Duran was on his way to a decision win. :good
     
  14. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Oh sure...but Buchanan was deprived of the chance to go the 15 round limit with Duran..even still, he displayed more toughness, grace under fire, guts and a better chin than any of Durans opponents....I know that DeJesus beat him in that nontitle affair, but in the rematches, he never came close to showing Buchanan's type of toughness...and certainly, Edwin Viruet..the only guy to actually go the distance with Duran, never came close either.
     
  15. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Easily Emmanuel Augustus....His career never really reflected his ability. He was a much better fighter than his record suggests.