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I don't know i will not say that it is impossible but i never was impressed with berbick.. The guy was easy to hit like hell he was not fast.. So i could believe that even this zombie Ali could survive to him for real.A young rahman nearly destroyed him very very early i know that trevor was past his best but he showed that he could not take a real puncher. I see guys like morrison or ron Lyle killing berbick easily.

 

That Ellis actually beat Patterson,
That Jack Sharkey was better than Baer or Schmeling.
John Tate was underrated.
That Povetkin could give Wlad a 50/50 with a fair, good ref.

 

Plausible!

 

How many years was he ranked in the top 10 heavyweights though?

 

There was no controversy at all over the decision in the first fight, none. There was a lot of talk however about Starling clowning around too much.

 

What do you guys think about the James Toney-Montell Griffin fight? Many saw it for Toney, I had quite a few swing rounds but actually scored it for Griffin the first time I watched it.

 

Quite a few. He had a nice second life as a kinda-there-but-not-a-title-threat contender, and I credit him for that.

You can argue that between Joe Louis and the emergence of young Muhammad Ali, the heavyweight division was more or less a wasteland.

The guys who came in Louis’ wake — Ezzard and Jersey Joe primarily — wouldn’t have been on par wtih the Brown Bomber in his heyday. Marciano came along, but he feasted on those aging holdovers without any more contemporary challengers rising during his era. And when he retired there was no one: Floyd was a light heavy pretty much and Archie Moore was another, older light heavy.

Not saying there were no good fighters at all in the heavyweight ranks, but none who made enough of a mark to be considered more than interim contenders. If Floyd doesn’t run into a right hand from Ingo and instead dispatches him in their first meeting as he did in the later matches, then there’s really no one worth remembering until Liston comes along.

Sonny didn’t do anything with the title himself, handed it off to Ali, and around that time we begin to have a more thriving heavyweight scene. Floyd was part of that scene for a while, but he was IMO second tier in the early-Ali era.

All in all, he might have been an ATG at 175 if they heavyweight belt wasn’t just basically lying on the floor waiting for someone to pick it up.

 

Patterson had problems making the 175 limit since he was 20.the guy could make the limit in his early career because he fully developed his body late( just like ali and holmes weighed 188 pounds early in their careers ).he was a natural cruiser not a lhw.if you have to kill yourself to make a weight limit then it is not healthy for you

 

That prime Liston is number three ATG at heavy.

 

Bang!!! Lol i am died

 

Foreman deserved at least a draw against Morrison.

 

Agreed. My top 5 are
5. Larry Holmes
4. Rocky Marciano
3. Sonny Liston
2. Joe Louis
1. Muhammad Ali
Herb Goldman, a respected boxing expert puts him at #2!

 

I agree with some on here saying Ali was not the greatest, my vote would go to Joe Louis.

 

I only saw it once, I remember scoring it for Starling and never bothering to rewatch it as it was pretty dull. The rematch was much better. The 80s WWs after the Leonard/Hearns/Duran/Benitez era get underrated.

 

Old George Foreman would have beaten young Foreman