Update The P4P top 10 worst chins among known fighters list.

Brickhaus · Aug 21, 2007

A few notes:

- Among heavies who are former titlists, I'd probably put Oleg Maskaev ahead of Rahman. Sure, he's survived some big punchers, but to be fair, so has Rahman. Maskaev, on the other hand, was KTFO by Goofi Whitaker and Kirk Johnson, neither of whom are big punchers. Among 'known' heavies, Zuri Lawrence HAS to be much worse than either of those guys, getting KOed by Dominic Guinn, Sultan Ibragamov (who's not the puncher some of the Euros on this board make him out to be) and Calvin Brock (who's not the puncher some of the Americans on this board make him out to be). Fraudley's ahead of either of those guys, but Zuri's definately ahead of Rahman, and Maskaev is just about even with him. Heck, if Wlad and Rahman had a contest where each just got free hits in the chin, I'd bet Wlad would go down first, he just keeps people away from his chin with that jab these days.

- No Herbie Hide? He's still active y'know, and fancies himself a cruiserweight contender. He would need to be at least #3, if not #1.

- What about Anthony Mundine? You can't really tell me that getting KOed by Castellejo is worse than getting KOed by Ottke? Also, how many other times has Sturm been on his butt in his career? Did you even see Castellejo's KO of Sturm? I personally think this one is a bad choice.

- No Amir Khan anymore? He did get knocked down by a weak-hitting journeyman...

sues2nd · Aug 21, 2007

CASH_718 said:

So??? He got laid out by Tarver who's an above average puncher and Glen Johnson who a below average puncher.
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I wouldnt quite call Johnson's power BELOW average. Average yes...but he has some pop, albeit he wears you down...but below average is a bit harsh in this case.

kg0208 · Aug 21, 2007

CASH_718 said:

So??? He got laid out by Tarver who's an above average puncher and Glen Johnson who a below average puncher.
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Ummm..Tarver was ALWAYS known as a big punching LHW. He is not that great a boxer.

Besides, Jones getting KO'd in his prime would have been signifigant....mid 30's? No one but guys who hate him bring it up.

CASH_718 · Aug 21, 2007

kg0208 said:

Ummm..Tarver was ALWAYS known as a big punching LHW. He is not that great a boxer.

Besides, Jones getting KO'd in his prime would have been signifigant....mid 30's? No one but guys who hate him bring it up.
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Two fights before the second Tarver fight he looked amazing and the fight before that and before that and before that.

rr94 · Aug 21, 2007

Amsterdam said:

Ignorant for knowing how to correctly gauge punch resistance to the point of calling them at a perfect success ratio?
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Your comment makes no sense. Correctly gauging punch resistance to the point of calling them at a perfect success ratio? You're a ****ing high school dropout trying to sound smart.

You gauged punch resistance based upon single events on a given night against a given opponent and ranked them accordingly in your "top-10" worst P4P top-10 chin's. Which in and of itself makes no sense. There are no P4P WORST, it makes no sense.

Delvin Rodriguez and Rey Bautista are young prospects, and many young prospects get starched early in their career. ****, it happened the Pacquiao.

You're just an idiot. Thats the sport, it happens. I don't think either necessarily have a bad chin, and if you've been in the ring i think you'd understand that and show some respect.

Amsterdam · Aug 21, 2007

Your comment makes no sense. Correctly gauging punch resistance to the point of calling them at a perfect success ratio? You're a ****ing high school dropout trying to sound smart.
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I'm doing my best to come across crystal clear and I am a highschool level dropout, though from Switzerland, not the United States, in which English is a langauge that I am proficient in, but mistakes come around here and there.

What I meant is that everytime I call that a hype job or china chinned fighter is going to get starched, it happens. Bautista was the most recent, most people were arguing that he has a good chance, I stood by the call that he was going to get starched in a few rounds, but his chin even surprised me a little, seeing that he couldn't make it out of the first. But there are countless others and after they are KOed, boxing fans act like they never saw anything in them to begin with, when many were high on them.

This is all reasonable discussion. Lighten up.

You gauged punch resistance based upon single events on a given night against a given opponent and ranked them accordingly in your "top-10" worst P4P top-10 chin's. Which in and of itself makes no sense. There are no P4P WORST, it makes no sense.

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There is actually a scientific process to chin checking.

Delvin Rodriguez and Rey Bautista are young prospects, and many young prospects get starched early in their career. ****, it happened the Pacquiao.

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Pacquaio was KOed on body shots and was always badly weight drained down at those lower weight classes, this is well confirmed by the way. No fighter who gets starched like Delvin Rod did against a completely light hitter is going to do anything. Bautista not even able to give Ponce a round is also telling, but I mentioned that he had shown chin issue's in the past and that Ponce was the exclamation.

You're just an idiot. Thats the sport, it happens. I don't think either necessarily have a bad chin, and if you've been in the ring i think you'd understand that and show some respect.

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I was an amatuer boxer, does that count?

And I give respect where respect is due, I am also a critic that works on a rigorous standard due to the fact that boxing has had so many great fighters, so I judge everyone else to that accordingly when dealing with rankings and chin rankings are apart of rankings no different.

DanePugilist · Aug 21, 2007

Awesome list, and very well explained. Top notch.

Amsterdam · Aug 21, 2007

DanePugilist said:

Awesome list, and very well explained. Top notch.
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I knew this one would sit well with you. Mundine is gone because he's technically retired, plus showing a better chin against Kessler, Echols and Siaca/Green should place him out of the list, even though he will always be suspect in my eyes.

Codrington is one that you agreed on having possibly the worst chin around and Delvin Rodriguez became infamous to us both back in March.

Stinky gloves · Aug 21, 2007

Wlad out of top 10? whow!

huki · Aug 21, 2007

Haha, why do people get angry when Zakman and Amsterdam point out FACTS about fighters with horrible chins? On here, it's not considered ignorant to say someone is featherfisted or has bad technique, but once a glass chin is mentioned (which is an essential part of analyzing boxers), the person pointing it out is "ignorant".

By the way, to the people that keep saying Bautista just got caught by a perfect punch from a big puncher and his chin isn't bad.. do you even realize that the guy has been knocked down/hurt on a number of occasions before the Ponce De Leon match by light hitters? If you read any articles about his past matches or even watched the undercard to The World Awaits, you wouldn't be surprised seeing him getting knocked out so fast.

Decebal · Aug 21, 2007

rr94 said:

You're a ****ing high school dropout trying to sound smart.

You're just an idiot. Thats the sport, it happens. I don't think either necessarily have a bad chin, and if you've been in the ring i think you'd understand that and show some respect.
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I don't see how insulting someone makes your non-arguments more convincing, do you? It just shows that you have no understanding of what is involved here and try to discredit someone who is a proven chincheker and top analyst by resorting to...namecalling.:-(

Boom_Boom · Aug 21, 2007

No Zab Judah = Failed list

Im dissappointed in you amsterdam...Zakman is my new Chin checkered expert

Boom_Boom · Aug 21, 2007

Sweet Pea said:

That one shot Pacquiao got KO'd by was a shot to the chin that ricocheted off and looked like it hit low, but if you clearly watch the tape it hit his chin and he was badly out of it. Had it been a body shot or low blow as Pac fans chant then he would've either been in pain and scrunched up from the shot, or holding his balls complaining.

Watch the footage, very hard to tell when not in slow-mo, but it hit his chin, it was a high shot, it just rococheted down, watch his reaction, no way someone is semi-unconscious from a body or ball shot. Again, very hard to tell when not in slow-mo, but his reaction says it all.

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Dont know how ANYONE can tell from that, it didnt hit anything clearly

It be better if we can see the rest of the video and help us judge it from the looks of his legs.

Amsterdam · Aug 21, 2007

Boom_Boom said:

No Zab Judah = Failed list

Im dissappointed in you amsterdam...Zakman is my new Chin checkered expert
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Think about it Boom Boom, Judah has taken a shelling like a man several times, Codrington, Fraudley and co. get KTFO by moderate-light hitters, it's not even comparable.

Zakman will agree with me. Judah is 'shaky', but he's far from these guys.

Decebal · Aug 21, 2007

Sweet Pea said:

That one shot Pacquiao got KO'd by was a shot to the chin that ricocheted off and looked like it hit low, but if you clearly watch the tape it hit his chin and he was badly out of it. Had it been a body shot or low blow as Pac fans chant then he would've either been in pain and scrunched up from the shot, or holding his balls complaining.

Watch the footage, very hard to tell when not in slow-mo, but it hit his chin, it was a high shot, it just rococheted down, watch his reaction, no way someone is semi-unconscious from a body or ball shot. Again, very hard to tell when not in slow-mo, but his reaction says it all.

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I've watched it 10 times and for the life of me I cannot see anything but a massive body shot...

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