Upload: Chavez fighting off the back foot

...I wish I had sound. Badly. Bookmarked for later. Good thread, mate.

 

I dont think we need to have "stylistic classification".

 

I've already seen this. Chavez had good composure as a boxer. Not quite a master in such a department but cool, calm, collective, and whichever his style, always a good ring general.

 

47-1?

yeah his array of jabs and compossure kept him in the fight at all times. but an agressive fighter doesnt have to be crude or lead footed. take duran, the epitome of aggression, he had all the tools and showed them in almost every fight. tszyu coincidentally is a bit less stylistic but just as effective on the inside.

i doubt anyone in classic thinks that chavez is a poor fighter, just beatable against very good opponants.

 

He also boxed going back a few times in the LaPorte fight.

 

From BoxRec about Chavez's fight with Miguel Ruiz:

"For many years all the leading record books, including both Pugilato and The Ring Record Book, recorded the first loss of Julio Cesar Chavez as being by disqualification....
This has since been changed to a knockout victory for Chavez, based on confirmation from the local boxing commission in Culiacan that it altered the verdict the following day.
Ramon Felix, manager of Chavez, happened to be a member of the Culiacan commission at the time."
The A-Z of World Boxing by Bert Blewett (1996) at p. 341.

 

not to sound like a douche but i knew that.

my wonder was why if it had been never changed back to a loss. did this commission just get out a dusty version of the ring mag added his wins and said thats his record?:think

 

Itrymariti, thanks for posting this fight. I've maintained for years that the win over Lockridge is one of the most underrated on Chavez' resume, and was always very impressed by it in large part due to the adjustment and style change made by Chavez, as he moved to boxing Lockridge, sharpshooting him and catching him coming in with jabs and uppercuts.

I haven't seen this fight in forever though, and before your upload there was only an edited version on youtube that was definitely meant to highlight Chavez' part in the fight, so it will be interesting seeing it all again.

Oh, and as someone who grew up a fan of Chavez, it frustrates me to no end when I hear people talking about how he was just a brawler or just a slugger or whatever. Somewhat similar to the youtube videos that are out there and have broken down the skills of guys like Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano and Tommy Hearns, I've been tempted to make a video focusing solely on the defensive skills of Chavez, sorta like the start of this video here, (the part I'm referring to starts right around 35 seconds in) which I believe was being shown just prior to his bout with Taylor.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMcXR3uriaY[/ame]

Getting back to the Lockridge fight for a moment, does anyone know if Chavez' adjustment was in fact a voluntary style change, or the result of an injury? I've heard a few times that he hurt his hand in the Lockridge fight (And it certainly looks like Rocky has a hard head) and that was part of why he went into boxing mode. Does anybody know for sure?

 

Maybe just that Lockridge was stronger than him?.Chavez was having slight weight issues at this time as well.

 

True about the weight, and it is a possibility that Lockridge was just stronger, I remember that was my assumption as well until I heard rumors about a hand injury.

Also regarding the weight issues, if I remember right they even discussed that a little bit in the commentary to this fight, talking about how Chavez was getting help for his stamina because he had tired late in some bouts. Odds are he was already outgrowing super feather and was cutting a little too much weight.

I was always struck by that because normally Chavez is thought of as a 15 round fighter in a 12 round era, so it was really bizarre to hear people talking about how he needed help on stamina... just goes to show what too much weight cutting does to someone, huh?

 

He claims that due to the fight he developed an arthritic knuckle...

This fight is underrated because people don't know lockridge.

 

Take a look at the knock down in the first Taylor fight. Chavez was actually slightly backing up, which created the opening for the tko.

 

I am surprised at that statement...I always thought that Lockridge was fairly well known though maybe underappreciated???

Wars with Lopez X's 2
Laporte
Pedroza X's 2
Gomez
Chavez
Boza edwards
mayweather

and some lesser known battles-I love his fights wirth de la rosa and moon.

can't believe that someone with that many good fights could remain unknown

 

Chavez let it be known after the fight he had hurt one of his hands and could'nt punch with force with it.


I had seen the Chavez knockout Mayweather back in the 80"s, but the Lockridge fight for me was the one that convinced me that he had the makings of a very special fighter........so much so that going into the Rosario fight as an underdog, I was confident that Chavez would do a number on him.:bbb