Upon review, Deontay is the HARDEST PUNCHER EVER

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  1. blackfella96

    blackfella96 Active Member Full Member

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    Really? You care that much about how people behave?
    Confidence is key in this game, if you don't believe yourself why should anyone else. He's doing his job promo wise if he has people in their feelings.

    Im curious but how does he cheapen the sport?
     
  2. Cally

    Cally Sand...sand... nothing but sand! Full Member

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    Yes, I do find him bad for the sport, I mean just standing around losing every Rd hoping to land that right Is pretty fkn poor, don't you think?

    Saying he wants a body on his record.

    5 years as wbc champion and not once fought for any other belts.
    He Can't box for toffee, that alone is bad enough for the sport.
    All that shouting and random screaching like he has tourettes, it's just plain weird.

    If he's that confident then why has it taken him so long to actually do anything of note in the sport? .

    any fighter thats champ for so long just doing pretty much nothing of note year in year out is bad for the sport. But wilder fans won't agree with that, of course not..

    Me, I want more from the sport in a championship fighter than he has offered, I'm sorry but it's been poor af up to now and anyone that says different is just as delusional as wilder.
     
  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Deontay is a very flawed fighter, but a hell of a puncher.

    He has to be up there.

    Is he the hardest hitting HW ever?

    I don't know.

    It's impossible to say.

    I think you'd have needed to have carried out scientific studies on everyone, which of course could never have been possible due to obvious reasons.

    His stats are impressive. But personally, I don't think you can award the title to him based purely off of them.

    As I always say, stats don't allow for circumstances.

    Yes, nobody else has accomplished them. But then there's so many things to look at, apart from just the numbers.

    You have to look at the quality of the opposition, the period of time the bouts were fought in, as well as any other circumstances that may have been a factor.

    Deontay Wilder was 31-0 over a period of 6 years. And for the last few years, he's averaged 3 fights a year. And this is very significant. Because Mike Tyson fought the same number of fights over a period of just over 2 years whilst being at a very young age. He was never able to get to Deontay's numbers, as he ran into Mitch Green and James Tillis. Those 2 weren't great fighters, but they competed at a high level and they were fought within the same month.

    George Foreman also didn't reach the same number, as he also had a few decisions. But like Mike, he was a young novice who fought regularly. He once fought 3 guys within a 12 day period, all in different parts of the country.

    Vitali Klitschko also couldn't reach the same number. But he ran into his Chris Byrd within his first 30 fights, where he had to withdraw with an injury before needing surgery.

    I'm sure you get the point I'm making.

    Although Deontay stands alone, I don't see why those 3 greats that I've mentioned couldn't also have followed his exact timeline and replicated those same numbers. Of course it's all fun speculation and nothing can ever be proven. But it makes for an interesting debate.

    Again, statistics alone aren't enough for me.

    Could Deontay have followed their timelines and bettered their results?

    Would he have gotten to the 31-0 if he'd have fought all of those bouts in 2 years, rather than 6?

    Could he have travelled the country and knocked out 3 guys in 12 days, at a young age?

    Would he have knocked out Chris Byrd?

    Under different circumstances, he may not have been able to have reached 31-0.
     
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  4. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    This made me laugh.
     
  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Haha!
     
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  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    This is a fantastic post George.

    A great read.

    I agree entirely with everything you've written.
     
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  7. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Great post.
     
  8. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Remember that Cunningham dropped him.
     
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  9. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    You obviously missed the Fury fight.
     
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  10. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Chris Byrd feasted on Slow handed robots, when Ike Ibeabucci showed him speed...things didn't go well

    Re-posting the clip of that KO is not fun unless you have sadistic tendencies...

    Deontay Wilder is faster, rangier than Ike. One tap on Byrd temple & the much smaller Byrd will be seriously harmed
     
  11. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    We know that Wilder has the tools to knock anybody out.

    He's faster, more powerful and ranger than most HW's. But it's his footwork and technique that badly let him down.

    If he'd have landed flush on Byrd, then there's no way he could have survived. But after watching him struggle with guys like Duhaupas etc, I don't know if he'd have had the opportunity to have knocked Byrd out.

    I don't think it would have been a given.
     
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  12. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If a boxer has the skills to avoid Wilder for 12 rounds, then he has that slim chance in theory. For that scenario we might as well go with prime Ivan Calderon, as he is much more elusive than Byrd, crouching down to 2'11" Wilder will have a very hard time catching him.
     
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  13. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Yeah :lol:, Miguel Canto would be a warm favourite over Wilder. Maybe Sweet Pea and Pretty Boy Floyd as well.
     
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  14. markclow

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    HARDEST PUNCHER EVER?
    Not even close. Flattening lower-class opposition doesnt count.

    I think that DW will only fight AJ if he is offered a huge payday.
    When he does, DW has a punchers chance but AJ will most-likely flatten him as he is a more-rounded fighter with 2 hands.
     
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  15. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    He already was, he declined :lol:
     
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