US fight fans...who do you respect most - froch or calzaghe

Even as a Froch fan I admit he wouldn't beat JC. But what Froch has done must've left Joe feeling a little embarrassed at not forcing Warren to make better fights for him whilst he was in his prime

 

You know that Calzaghe didn't 'exclusively' fight in Wales, I presume?

The 'fighters in their prime' thing is always a red herring. What matters is how good fighters are, not how old they are. A 43 year old Hopkins was better than any other fighter in or around Calzaghe's weight class at the time, so logically better than any win over any 'prime' fighter than Calzaghe could have faced instead.

 

And I guess those comments mean you know sh1t about boxing atsch

Froch would have lost his very FIRST defence gainst a smaller guy in JT, froch looked out of ideas, had no defence, and the only quick thing about him is his motormouth
Joe beat Eubank to win the title, someone who most fighters didnt want to go near, he defended his title every time he was challenged for it even with brittle hands, produced a master class against jeff lacy someone NO ONE in the U.S gave a chance, and most on this forum said would send calzaghe into retirement, then joe gives a master class of boxing destroys lacy and suddenly everyone is back peddling in their boasting about the next mike tyson and he is overrated etc.
If that was an american fighter doing that to lacy we wouldnt have heared the end of it and they would have been proclaimed p4p no 1 lol, everyone who has faught lacy since has fought a beaten fighter because joe knocked it out of him when he beat him.
Yet Calzaghe had destroyed one of americas best up and coming stars and a fighter few wanted to fight.
Then Joe as champion which is his right chose to fight kessler another dangerous opponent who was hungry and strong and determined to beat joe, and what calzaghe did that night just showed the master boxer he is.
For you to call him a con artist etc shows your total lack of knowledge of just how difficult a defence that fight was, kessler hit calzaghe with bombs that night and joe worked out a way to beat him, thats the sign of a great fighter.
He then vacated and went up a weight and challenged the ring champion light heavyweight bhop in the U.S in what was a terrible fight due mainly to the fact that bhops tactics were hold and feign injury I think the american judges that night got fed up with bhops tactics and rightly saw that the effort was coming from the challenger.
Joe a two weight world champion, defended against Roy Jones, has reigned the world for over a decade as a champion.
And you call him a con artist fighting turkeyshoots, you tell pavlik he fought a turkeyshoot lol, or try telling the next guys facing kessler he was a turkey.
Lets see where froch is in a years time shall we??
And also how many defences he makes in nottingham maybe lol

 

I tried to read this post with an open mind, but I stopped before I was even halfway through. Blowing Joe's trumpet for beating Eubank? atsch I suggest you look past the name and into the context of that fight before you expose your lack of knowledge again. ****ing fanboys.

 

He had from 1997-2003 to fight a peak Roy Jones (SIX YEARS) and from 1997-2004 to fight a peak Bernard Hopkins (SEVEN YEARS).

Ricky Hatton managed to move up and secure a fight with Mayweather only two years after winning his world title.

I know you are a fan Cobbler, but please don't try to defend the indefensible.

Fighting a 43-year-old man who had lost twice to Jermain Taylor is nothing like the same as fighting the prime p4p#1 (as Jones was for the majority of the time 97-01 and Hopkins was for the majority of the time 01-04... and Mayweather was when Hatton fought him).

 

:good It`s like you read my mind.

 

We're not comparing fighting a 43 year old man to fighting the P4P number one though are we? We're comparing moving up in weight to fight a top five P4P fighter and the man in the division above to fighting a guy who had twice been beaten at the weight below and as yet not particularly proven anything at SMW where he's not the biggest challenge.

 

Didn't know either one of them until recently. My respect would have to go to Calzaghe, he fought 2 of the top fighters and beat them. Much respect

 

I'm not comparing that, I'm comparing Froch and Calzaghe as per the thread subject. And Froch going to the US in his first defence to face someone like Jermain Taylor utterly shames Mr Cardiff Ice Rink. True, in his last couple of years Calzaghe took on a couple of legitimate challenges, but it was only a fraction of what he should have been doing over his 11 years as a world champion. Froch's attitude so far means he is far more worthy of respect from boxing fans.

 

Exactly the same answer as me... though obviously slightly less vitriolic. :good

 

an offer was put to bhop years ago and he kept pricing himself out of it.
A confident fighter would have taken the fight and we would have seen two of the best fighters at that time come face to face, so dont solely blame calzaghe for that.
If anything it was frank warren and his laughable magangerial/promotional skills in not getting that fight and many others that joe wanted.
If you want to blame Frank Warren go right ahead ill even join you in your condemnation of the guy.
But what joe achieved in his career was exceptional, and to get through most of his fights with much badly damaged hands and still remain undefeated was the sign of a champion.
As for Carl Froch and his fight with jermaine Taylor, lets be honest Jermain Taylor`s conditioning was shocking and for 11 rounds he was winning the fight hands down.
This is a guy who is physically smaller than Froch and fighting at super middle against Froch who has always fought at the weight.
It wont exactly send chills through the other super middles

 

How else are you comparing them other than comparing what they have done? :?

It's obvious from the rest of your post that you are not actually comparing them in absolute terms, where an honest answer would be that Calzaghe had achieved more and taken on greater challenges, but that a comparison between the two is fairly pointless given one has finished his career and one has only just begun to fight at the highest level.

 

Jermain Taylor is better than anyone Calzaghe ever fought except Kessler and Hopkins.

Froch faced Taylor in America in his 1st defence.

Calzaghe faced Kessler in Wales in his 20th(?) defence.

You can write as many paragraphs as you want mate, the non-Calzaghe fans know the truth.

 

didn't vote as i'm not a US fan but for me its clearly Calzaghe

 

No reason to post a poll like this unless it's public.

Probably 10% of the people voting are yank ****s. Pointless.