USA SMWs dont perform in Europe. I bet the USA S6 guys want the rest of fights in USA

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  1. bailey

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    There you go again about homosexuals.
    Still Froch beat Taylor away :lol: or did he cheat there
     
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  3. bailey

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    Wheres Michiganwarrior gone.
    Hes failed to answer again
     
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    probably watchin gay porn :pukke:pukke:pukke:pukke:pukke
     
  6. bailey

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    Calzaghe, Ottke, Beyer, Woodhall, Reid, Kessler, Eubank, Benn, Collins, Catley, Girard,
    Sanavia, Inkin, Balzsay, Steiglitz, Bute, Sarison & Froch, not to mention all the top contenders, who never won titles but played a big part. The list goes on and on
     
  7. horst

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    Another petty, ill-informed thread courtesy of a petty, ill-informed poster.

    "USA SMWs" are not a homogenuous group, so the fact that one "USA SMW" doesn't perform abroad does not mean that another, different "USA SMW" would not.

    Geography had little to do with the horribly overhyped and undertalented Jeff Lacy being given the runaround by a far more seasoned, experienced, proven fighter in Joe Calzaghe.

    Quality is what is important, not geography, and like Calzaghe beat Lacy on quality, Andre Ward would beat Carl Froch on quality anywhere on the globe.


    Class dismissed :smoke
     
  8. Brickhaus

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    Timothy Bradley UD Junior Witter
    Virgil Hill UD12 Valery Brudov
    Breidis Prescott KO1 Amir Khan
    Winky Wright TKO6 Adrian Dodson
    Alejandro Berrio TKO3 Robert Stieglitz

    And no, an American hasn't beaten a German on German soil in a long time. But a big part of that is that the German promoters won't let any of their fighters near the best Americans, at least not outside of the Super Six and the Klitschko brothers (who promote themselves). When was the last time a German-based titlist fought an American who was even one of the top 10 Americans in the weight class and it wasn't a mandatory, other than the S6 and the Klitschkos? Of course the Americans aren't going to win when the guys who get a shot over there are third-rate fighters like Tommy Karpency, Danny Santiago, Billy Lyles and Elvin Ayala.
     
  9. bailey

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    Brickhaus, your getting dragged in to a seperate discussion.
    The question is what American SMWs have performed well in big fights away?
    In answer to what you wrote though Prescott and Berrio are Columbian :patsch. Are you trying to claim them as your own?

    Witter was at the end of his peak and Dodson wasnt a world class fighter.
    You contradict yourself a bit with German promotors wont let there fighters near the best Americans and then say except for the Klitschkos and the Super 6.
    The last time I can think of a German based titlist fought a top 10 American I can think of was (off the top of my head) when V klitschko beat Arreola.

    Still when has an American SMW performed well in a big fight in Europe?
     
  10. bailey

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    But Ward hasnt fought in Europe so thats all speculative now, isnt it.

    Class dismissed, but sir you havent answered the question

    When has an American SMW performed well in a big fight in Europe?
     
  11. Brickhaus

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    You're right, there haven't been. American super middleweights haven't done well in Europe. But European super middleweights haven't done well in the US either. What's the best win you can name for a European over an American in the US at super middleweight? Calzaghe fought Hopkins at LHW. Abraham beat Miranda, big whoop, but if we're not counting South Americans who are based out of the US, then he doesn't count either. Pascal is Canadian.

    I mean, I've gone back and looked, and the best win I can find by a European SMW over an American in America is Froch's last second knockout of a shot Jermain Taylor.
     
  12. horst

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    I have already explained this but you have clearly failed to grasp it, so I will do so again:

    "USA SMWs" are not a homogeneous group, so whether Andre Ward would win a fight in Europe is irrelevant to whether this has already been done before.

    Do you know what "homogeneous" means?


    Your thread is founded on tired, silly stereotypes and generalizations. You betray your own dated, blinkered outlook, it's like 19th century nationalism.
     
  13. bailey

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    Which is a better win then any American SMW in Europe
    Froch over Taylor
    AA over Miranda
     
  14. bailey

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    So Popkins you have to admit that the thread wasnt ill informed, you are now changing what you first said. The thread made a statement that you havent disproved, just now made out that good SMWs of America are few, but that is only true when they fight away from their own country,
    America have had some fair SMWs B Mitchell the 2 time WBA champ, but he couldnt perform away.
    Lacy was doing well in America, until he fought in Europe,
    Brewer although lost at times remained a contender in America where a loss didnt matter because he could beat another American contender and be rated again
     
  15. bailey

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    SMWs that never made it to world titles in Europe but may have done well had they not been in the tough European scene. Note some of these guys did manage to win titles at different weights but not SMW

    Starie, Wharton, Veit, Haussler, Markussen, Branco, Woods, Larson, Mkertchyan, Magee, Chanet, Sahnoune, Cherifi, Tsypko, Rocchigiani, C Carr, D Francis,

    Are just a few