Using boxing as a fighting art by itself

I have to chime in on this,

Boxing is a sport, granted, but it was originally intended as a form of self defense. It focuses on defense above all else while maintaining control of distance and establishing ideal angles for striking the attacker. Boxing, regardless of what it has become in the sport is a DEFENSIVE martial art. Classic boxing especially stresses foot-work, angles and distance, all which is excellent for defending yourself.

Boxing for sport excludes everything that classic prizefighting allowed which in fact included elbows, knees, head-butts, clench-boxing and yes, take-downs. Everything in MMA that uses boxing techniques, IE Dirty Boxing IS BOXING. It was all around during prize fighting days and in pre-Queensbury days. Single Collar/Double Collar/ clench boxing, all of that is and continues to be boxing. Any striking with the closed or semi closed fist is boxing.

Imagine the kind of damage a boxer with a full understanding of all the tools he has could do to an attacker? Seriously, mix in all the stuff you are not allowed to do but you know how to do and you have classic BKB. Bare Knuckle Boxing was so damn effective, boxing as a sport had to be birthed from it.

Everything in boxing is based in self defense, from the foot work to the striking to the its multiple options for defending/parrying/slipping/dodging of strikes, to its stance. The Boxing stance is specifically made to base the fighter for delivering and receive strikes. Your base is solid so you can stay standing because ground fighting in the streets is dumb. You don't kick because you give up your base.

If you want to learn more about it, read books about gypsy fighters, they still use all the illegal stuff, the hand positions, the clench-boxing techniques.

A competent BKB is about as legit as you can be.

This topic is so damn interesting to me because it almost seems like boxing itself has forgotten about how effective it is as a form of self defense.

 

Uhh...No. I've boxed for about 6 years now (never fought amatuers or anything, just staying in shape and I like to do it), I did JKD for a little over a year, I do a little MT I learned (nothing to in-depth), and as for the wrestling...I trained at a MMA place for a few months against guys who had tons more experience than I ever did. In no way am I saying they were awesome, but should have wrestled my head off IMO. Also I have lifted for about 8 years so I'm no slouch when it comes to strength...

Just stating I feel like I have most things covered in a street fight, and people should be well rounded. The guy who boxes for years weighing 130 pounds, and a guy twice his size gets ahold of him he's DONE. The wrestler who tries to wrestle somebody whom has twice his strength is DONE. The guy that tries to wrestle 3 guys on the ground is dumb.
There's no superior tecnique, but there are different situations. SO, I choose to train for as many as possible, and be ready if anything comes.

 

^^^^ lethal weapon in the house....

 

You know, when you are not psychoanalysing my supposed issues with MMA, you actually talk a lot of sense.

My dad was telling me that his jujitsu instructor basically says that his techniques are designed to work on people who don't know how to fight.

And a happy coincidence is, almost no one who knows how to fight is liable to start a fight with anyone else unless they are a paid ninja.

 

Boxing in a steet fight is great. Most folk have no idea how to throw a punch.

 

My mate is a bodybuilder, about 230lbs, and he offered me on at one of those arcade punching machine things on Saturday. He took a couple steps run up, hit the ball with a sort of looping ball-of-fist punch and stood back smugly while a group of people watched...

Easy

 

Waldo better run and hide now.

 

Haha, not really. Besides, I've come to learn the best way to fight is to avoid it altogether. Don't put yourself in situations, try to get along with people, be calm/ understanding, and a good person. If the **** goes down then it's good to be prepared, but best to avoid unless absolutely necessary.
I used to be a pretty paranoid person about getting in to fights (for different reasons), and thing is...ever since I've trained I've been in 0 street fights. I probably couldn't count as high as many times as I've been paranoid about it though. Realized it's pointless. I've thought about it a million times, but yet it actually happened 0 times. Pretty big difference there and hardly any reason to dwell on such a rediculous thing.

 

Hmmmm...your original post screamed bull****..and I must say, this one is shouting the same thing...

 

Wrestler? Maybe, but a brown/black belt wouldn't have trouble breaking the guys arm or choking him out.
And I know this for fact because when I started BJJ I had 3 years of wrestling experience and I went against a guy who was 140lbs (I was 235 at the time), I took his ass down and got armed barred instantly. Repeat tries ended up in similar misfortunes.

 

It's extremely effective, most people aren't going to want to go the ground, they are going to try to punch you. You should win that pretty easy.

There are situations where you will end up on the ground, through being tackled, or thrown, slipping, whatever; then all your boxing isn't going to help much, you are basically level with the other guy.

 

Gotta agree with this, I'm not a black belt or anything but when the big weight lifting guys come to our gym I think my instructor makes a point of putting them with me (160 pounds) to prove the effectivness of BJJ technique over power.

I like to pull guard and work off my back when I roll but this would be the last thing I'd do in a street fight, especially with multiple attackers, but I think it's good to know how too defend myself on my back if I ever got put there in a real situation.

In a real situation, 1 on 1 BJJ is going to be very tough to beat. More than 1 attacker, better learn some boxing. MT is a great martial art but I wouldn't be throwing leg kicks and looking to clinch in a multiple attacker situation. I agree with what monkeyearmuffs said about keeping distant and the footwork in boxing in this scenario.

 

Lets take a look at krev maga:

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The techniques are designed for street combat so thats an advantage over boxing or any sport related MA.

however as previously stated, boxing and other competitive contact sports have you actually hitting and getting hit which prepares your mind for taking damage and responding accordingly.

Any MA that allows real sparring/contact training I think would be effective in a real fight. Boxing has proven itself to be effective in steet fights, but it doesnt contain training for dissarming chokes guns and knives ect.

boxing training will give you a huge advantage in a street fight but nothing is going to make the common man into a killing machine like the movies.

Your best bet is to simply avoid bad situations, someone puts a gun to your head and tells you to give them your money - give it to them, and live. Or try some Hollywood **** and get shot for $20.

Not that MA dont work but in reality you take on two or three armed guys odds are you lose.

people should learn to defend themselves, but -like always, its good judgment that will save your ass more often than not.

 

That machine is a *****. Fighters detonate power on impact and that machine is all about follow through.

 

In street fights a guy with a good 1-2 and a pivot would be damned near a world beater.

I can't stand when people talk about a million and one moves like that is "good". Sure a boxer is only as good as his "looks" (styles he has seen). So, if he plans to use boxing in the street. He needs to spar with Muay Thai, sprawling, and such to get used to kicks and takedowns, but 99.9% of the people you are going to meet in a street fight are going to throw looping haymakers.