Usyk- A Comparative Study

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  1. TheMotorCityCobra

    TheMotorCityCobra Active Member Full Member

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    Moorer’s lead hand was really good. Great jab, great hook, excellent with the lead uppercut, had really good hand speed and obviously being a southpaw made him even more effective. He was really good but his resume did leave a little to be desired. He was a fantastic LHW, but didn’t really have big fights there before out growing the division and moving to HW. IMoorer would have been a beast at CW, but the money was at HW, so he went straight there. Never the less, I was always a fan of Moorer.
     
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  2. Pugilist Specialist

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    I hate these morons who ride Holyfield’s roided up pecker to try and take away from Usyk’s work.. First, Usyk fought a good fight against a crude, dirty fighting (also roided up) Chisora. I wanted the KO too but he heard the big ******* pretty bad and that’s good enough. Second, Usyk had a natural physique not overloaded from roids and GH. Usyks body is something that anyone who works out can attain. Not a roid freak bodybuilder. Give him credit. Third, Usyk was a unified cruiser champ who is extending himself and taking on a huge challenge considering how gigantic the heavys are of today. Yes he may fail against the giants. But isn’t it interesting and commendable that he is trying? And doing it naturally unlike the gargoyle Holyfield? I swear you people must be dumbasses who can only handle 3 heavyweights in the division Aj, Fury and Wilder and you get personally offended that someone else is in the division . Get help morons
     
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  3. The Underdog

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    Haye demonstrated what an elite guy coming up from cruiser should do to Chisora. Made him look silly and knocked him out, and this was a fresher, better version.



    Who are all these killers at cruiser? Average division at best.
     
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  4. bandeedo

    bandeedo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    thats fair. my whole thing with peds is that its just a supplement. a strong and illegal one, but still just a supplement. it will improve you, but you have to be very good to begin with. plus, theres no way of telling who else was on supplements too. so i go by what skill i see, and the results that come from it.
     
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  5. bandeedo

    bandeedo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    stay out of their threads, you will live longer with less stress.
     
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  6. bandeedo

    bandeedo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    i was always amazed at the power he could generate for a comparatively smaller man. very skilled. i always felt he had a chip on his shoulder, though. which i think affected his performance in a couple of crucial moments.
     
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  7. HellSpawn86

    HellSpawn86 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    While I get where you are coming from, I think I reserve the same judgement. I miss the old days because those guys could bang, but were really skilled at doing it. Cutting off the ring, fighting on the inside, and upper body movement are almost skills of the past. This era is dominated by lumbering giants which are hard to overcome, even for the most skilled heavyweights. Height, reach, and power are what's in, this generation. Even though this era is dominated tall fighters, I don't even consider them as skilled as Lennox Lewis; they don't have the punch variety or movement he had.

    Those things said, you gotta judge Usyk by this generation of heavyweights. Fury and AJ are rather stiff and slow, whereas Usyk is a lot more mobile. It is totally possible that Usyk's speed and pivoting create problems for Fury and AJ. Even Cunningham and Ruiz used their speed to create problems for Fury and AJ with their speed. Here is a video of Usyk causing problems for Joe Joyce



    Now, that doesn't necessarily win him the fights. I think he needs to work on his upper body movement. Now I think Usyk is good at distance and timing, I think David Haye and the guys you showed had better upper body movement which gave him success heavyweight. I think Usyk stands a little too tall, and if he's going to be successful against Fury and AJ, I think he's going to need to move his upper body more.

    I am not totally convinced Usyk takes over heavyweights, but I am also not overly convinced with the skillsets of the giants either.
     
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  8. bandeedo

    bandeedo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    the skill levels of the 80s and 90s, compared to today, shows a big drop in quality, on average. of course there are some stand outs who could have competed back then no problem, but the group average was much higher back then. i am judging it from the eye of a trainer, and fighter, not from the eye of a fan or commentator. guys back then were just more well rounded as fighters. they could do more with less.
    oh, and joyce would have been a carnival attraction back then, not a legit hope for contention.
     
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  9. VBOX

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    You are right. Even though usyks style might leave a lot to be desired, he still has a chance against this crop of heavyweights. Joshua is chiney, wilder is a glass cannon, and if AJ can box circles in the ring against Ruiz, usyk certainly can too.
     
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  10. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    He has next to no chance against Fury, there is just nothing for him there. AJ the chance is better but still not very good. Wilder...I’d give him a 30-35% chance, Whyte about the same. After that...Ortiz, Ruiz, Parker, etc he would be 50/50 I guess. Obviously things could change but I haven’t seen anything that makes me warm and fuzzy about him at HW, at least not yet.
     
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  11. HellSpawn86

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    Yeah, I was thinking the same thing with the LSC vs Davis fight. It's like neither fighter knew what a jab was. LSC threw a few, but you could tell he wasn't trained on jab variety.

    My overall suspicion is that we are overall in a better place in society that instead of people becoming boxers, they are going to school and getting more reliable jobs. It's sad for the sport, but I think good for society. I am one of those cases. I grew up in a low income family and very intent on becoming a boxer. I fought amateur and encouraged to go pro. My parents encouraged me to go to school so now I work an office job instead. Looking at how things turned out for many pro boxers and in particular my friends it definitely has it's downsides if you don't have good management taking care of you. I also never discourage anyone from doing it, I think if you risk big you can come up big as well. I think I made the right choice for me personally.

    However, yes, if I was a trainer I'd be showing my pupils a lot of old videos to study from.
     
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  12. bandeedo

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    those fighters grew up in a different world. even regular kids were much stronger and healthier than they are today, never mind the best of the lot. me and all my friends were always outside, riding bikes, building treehouses, exploring the woods around our towns, etc...putting on the gloves among the kids in the neighborhood was common, and nobody freaked out. now everybody is allergic to something, needs some type of daily medication, or just lives in fear of the world. now everything causes ptsd. it makes for different type of men. and my generation was softer than my grandparents.
    there is a documentary called "the brilliant biograph" which is a lot of never before seen movie footage, shot between 1897-1902. all kinds of scenes from all across europe of everyday life. if you watch it, they almost seem like a different species from what we look like today. most look like they are in fighting shape, made of iron. this is everyday folk.
    a couple of years back, i dang near disowned my 17yo nephew when i took him fishing to the gulf coast and after walking a couple of miles with me, he laid it down and said he couldnt go on. i was disgusted. not because he was less than the average kid today, but because he was related to me and showing that type of will and toughness.
    i really do expect a lot.
     
  13. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Very true I Like this approach.
     
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  14. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I mean if somehow Charr got a belt by then, ya, Usyyk would hold a belt by then. It still would not stop him from being a faceplant. The belts were made to validate the fighters, as a qualification symbol that this fighter is truly a wold elite and special fighter, the same way making it through British SAS or BUD/S does for soldiers and SEALs, making it through training thAt tough is trial by fire and a rite of passage giving that soldier the stamp of approval that they are a tough mother****er and earned their way there every it of tye way. That's what championship belts used to be like in boxing. Not amymore, now the fighter literally validates the belt which is a joke. So ya he can still win a belt and be a complete bellyflop off the roof missing the pool.
     
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  15. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And boxing will never see a gassed up roid enhanced PED-abusing jerk like pac-man ever again. He never even beats Morales and moves past 130 without his trenbolone.