Usyk (AJ fights) vs. Holyfield's competition

Joy_Rones · Jun 3, 2023

mrbigshot said: ↑

its imho an insult for holyfield to be even roughly compared with usyk. Lets be honest.
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fkin LMAO It's also an insult to compare a sportsman to a drug cheat.
Usyk has a great career in ams(olympic, world, and euro gold + strandzha) pros(undisputed CW in a 4 belt era, unified HW) and semi-pros(boxed Joe Joyce's ears off). He cleaned up a stacked and much tougher CW division than Evan Fields who arguably lost to five footer Dwight Muhammad Qawi.
Mr Fields has a very impressive resume at HW, one of the best out there, but if Usyk manages to become undisputed at heavy, he would be the more accomplished boxer overall.

It's Ovah · Jun 3, 2023

CooperKupp said: ↑

IF Usyk fought that fight on an actual LEVEL playing field with NEUTRAL judges and not have to deal with incompetent weasels like Moretti… Usyk more than holds his own against Holyfields competition. Throw in the same ‘supplements’ Holyfield benefited from in those days with the same leniency he had… Usyk cleans house.

Toughest fights would be against Tyson and Lewis though. Would be a lot of fun to watch.
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Why would Usyk want the old school 90s bodybuilder supplements Evander was on back then? His own supplements work perfectly well for his body type and style of fighting. And no that's not a slur. I hold the stance that everyone is using some mix of PEDs, in varying combinations and amounts.

Evander suffered from endurance problems, likely brought about by his artificial level of musculature. Usyk suffering stamina problems would be the death of him, since that's where he typically outclasses his competition.

turbotime · Jun 3, 2023

He’d do well I reckon? A fight against Moorer would be interesting. He actually had sneaky power and was a SP as well.

reckless · Jun 3, 2023

Overseas said: ↑

Holyfield was out of his prime by the time he fought Lennox. A former sparring partner of both strongly believes that prime for prime, Holyfield would knock Lewis out.

"Yes. I'm 6'4 and a half. Not as tall as Lennox but similar in size and range. Evander used me and a few other tall fighters who could mimic Lennox's style. Evander was very sharp when I worked with him but I had to leave camp early because my daughter was being born. When I was there Evander beat me up like he usually did but I heard from some others that in the months after I left Evander was complaining of cramps and arthritis. He was 36 years old and it seemed that his age was beginning to show. The closer to the fight, the worse it got.

He was unusually arrogant in the weeks before the fight saying he would KO Lennox in the 3rd round. That was out of character for him but he told me later that Lennox made him really mad because he called him a hypocrit for being a christian but having so many children out of wedlock. That is one of Evander's buttons right there.

I watched the fight live at the arena and Evander did not look good. Evander looked stiff and slow in the first two rounds but he plays possom a lot. I figured he gave away the first two rounds to conserve energy and murder Lennox in the third. He failed to do it and Lennox controlled the rest of the fight with ease. He accidentally stunned Evander in the 5th with a punch to the back of the head but didn't finish him fearing Evander was setting him up for a trap as he had with Michael Moorer two years prior. As I watched the fight progress it was clear that Evander was over the hill. He didn't have the speed to get to Lennox and couldn't get around Lennox's long jab and reach.

I was pissed off when the fight was a draw but Evander was promoted by Don King. Go figure. The only person on the air who came out and said the obvious was Roy Jones Jr. This was Don's second time screwing Lennox Lewis because he hired a fake referree to help Oliver McCall steal the title from Lennox in 1994.

I didn't work with Evander for the Lennox rematch but from what others told me, Evander was losing his skills. They planned to drain Lennox's strength by jabbing him in the body. I watched the fight and the strategy worked. Evander couldn't fight with Lennox all three minutes of each round so he had to dive in, attack and then escape. Evander turned it into a WAR! Having shared the ring with both, prime Evander would beat prime Lennox. Watch the rematch and see old Evander take it to prime Lennox. Lennox was huffing and puffing and hated those body attacks. He barely made it out alive! Prime Evander would have been busier and got the knockout."
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Prime Holyfield lost 2 out of 3 fights to Bowe. There's no way he's beating Lewis.

CooperKupp · Jun 3, 2023

Overseas said: ↑

Holyfield was out of his prime by the time he fought Lennox. A former sparring partner of both strongly believes that prime for prime, Holyfield would knock Lewis out.

"Yes. I'm 6'4 and a half. Not as tall as Lennox but similar in size and range. Evander used me and a few other tall fighters who could mimic Lennox's style. Evander was very sharp when I worked with him but I had to leave camp early because my daughter was being born. When I was there Evander beat me up like he usually did but I heard from some others that in the months after I left Evander was complaining of cramps and arthritis. He was 36 years old and it seemed that his age was beginning to show. The closer to the fight, the worse it got.

He was unusually arrogant in the weeks before the fight saying he would KO Lennox in the 3rd round. That was out of character for him but he told me later that Lennox made him really mad because he called him a hypocrit for being a christian but having so many children out of wedlock. That is one of Evander's buttons right there.

I watched the fight live at the arena and Evander did not look good. Evander looked stiff and slow in the first two rounds but he plays possom a lot. I figured he gave away the first two rounds to conserve energy and murder Lennox in the third. He failed to do it and Lennox controlled the rest of the fight with ease. He accidentally stunned Evander in the 5th with a punch to the back of the head but didn't finish him fearing Evander was setting him up for a trap as he had with Michael Moorer two years prior. As I watched the fight progress it was clear that Evander was over the hill. He didn't have the speed to get to Lennox and couldn't get around Lennox's long jab and reach.

I was pissed off when the fight was a draw but Evander was promoted by Don King. Go figure. The only person on the air who came out and said the obvious was Roy Jones Jr. This was Don's second time screwing Lennox Lewis because he hired a fake referree to help Oliver McCall steal the title from Lennox in 1994.

I didn't work with Evander for the Lennox rematch but from what others told me, Evander was losing his skills. They planned to drain Lennox's strength by jabbing him in the body. I watched the fight and the strategy worked. Evander couldn't fight with Lennox all three minutes of each round so he had to dive in, attack and then escape. Evander turned it into a WAR! Having shared the ring with both, prime Evander would beat prime Lennox. Watch the rematch and see old Evander take it to prime Lennox. Lennox was huffing and puffing and hated those body attacks. He barely made it out alive! Prime Evander would have been busier and got the knockout."
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Did this guy ever work with Wladimir too as far as his sparring? I think I’ve seen him post on here before.

CooperKupp · Jun 3, 2023

It's Ovah said: ↑

Why would Usyk want the old school 90s bodybuilder supplements Evander was on back then? His own supplements work perfectly well for his body type and style of fighting. And no that's not a slur. I hold the stance that everyone is using some mix of PEDs, in varying combinations and amounts.

Evander suffered from endurance problems, likely brought about by his artificial level of musculature. Usyk suffering stamina problems would be the death of him, since that's where he typically outclasses his competition.
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Lol Uhh I didn’t say he would want the same kind. Just making a point. Usyk on a level playing field with Evander or his competition is capable of beating them all.

mrbigshot · Jun 3, 2023

Joy_Rones said: ↑

fkin LMAO It's also an insult to compare a sportsman to a drug cheat.
Usyk has a great career in ams(olympic, world, and euro gold + strandzha) pros(undisputed CW in a 4 belt era, unified HW) and semi-pros(boxed Joe Joyce's ears off). He cleaned up a stacked and much tougher CW division than Evan Fields who arguably lost to five footer Dwight Muhammad Qawi.
Mr Fields has a very impressive resume at HW, one of the best out there, but if Usyk manages to become undisputed at heavy, he would be the more accomplished boxer overall.
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BM237 · Jun 3, 2023

miniq said: ↑

AJ is a bum

Fury will show how you deal with midgets
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Fury is a biggest duck in boxing ever

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