Usyk at Heavyweight has lost barely over a dozen rounds.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by IntentionalButt, Dec 27, 2024.


By your estimation, how many HW rounds has Usyk lost?

  1. 0-10

    19.0%
  2. 10-15

    26.2%
  3. 15-20

    31.0%
  4. 20-25

    19.0%
  5. 25+

    4.8%
  1. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    No way. Fury gave Usyk the hardest fights of his career alongside Briedis. Joshua didn't too bad all things considered, but he faded even worse than Fury did down the stretch in both fights.
     
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  2. tarrant45

    tarrant45 Active Member Full Member

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    The point is no matter how divine you think your scoring opinion is, its still your opinion than you are conflating as factual. I have been scoring fights just as long as you and I think your cards are way off, and someone else also have another opinion and so on. If you are not going use official scoring as reference I don't see the point of this. And if you think Fury only won 2 rounds in the rematch you have no idea how to score fights.

    The average media score across 14 cards, was 115-113 Usyk.
     
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  3. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    you have to cherry pick, because usyk only has a handful of fights against the toughest opponents to be found. if i wanted to make it biased towards evander i could take his 5 easiest wins to compare rd win to loss ratios and use that. but that doesnt tell the reality. the reality is that usyk did better against lesser competition, than evander did against tougher competition.
     
  4. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I think people far too frequently get caught up in perception vs. reality when a fighter pushes Usyk harder than an average opponent, so they feel more inclined to award them a round based on the mere fact that they made him look uncomfortable or slightly perturbed, because seeing Usyk struggle is so uncommon and jarring to them. Not based on who landed the cleaner and better punches, which is usually always Usyk. It's awfully telling that you and I both scored Usyk-Fury II 118-110, and the Compubox stats reflect that, with Fury only outlanding Usyk in one round, and on even terms in the first. We also had roughly the same score as the AI judge, which was 118-112. So yeah, our scorecards are cyborg level perfection.:sisi1
     
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  5. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The judging consensus is Usyk has lost 25-26 rounds at HW. You can push that number down to 20 or 21 with favorable scoring but hes lost way more than 12.

    5 Chisora
    4 AJ I
    5 AJ II
    2 Dubois
    6 Fury I
    4 Fury II
     
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  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    The subtlety of Usyk's defence and how he makes you miss by centimetres or inches and slips and blocks so many of the shots which appear to land escapes a lot of people

    Notice how Belly has to cheat here blinding Usyk with his elbow/forearm when he lands that big right hand to the gut in the first which knocks Usyk off balance? He already holds obscene physical advantages over him and even though he's twice Usyk's size (slight exaggeration) the target area on his body for Usyk to aim at is half the size it is for him to aim at on Usyk's because Belly seems to have confused his trunks for a neck scarf.

    Given the huge size and length disparity the body was always going to be the easiest target for Usyk to land on and Belly had so much of his covered up. Astonishing how the ref allowed it and the commentary teams conveniently ignored it

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    Stiff-arming the much smaller and much shorter reach man with his orangutan arms

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  7. Serge

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  8. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Excellent analysis of dodgy tactics and lack of policing.

    Also perfect highlight that the claims of Usyk having a glass stomach are absolute myth and that Usyk doesn’t disingenuously protest against legit body shots.

    Usyk fights clean and he has every right to protest when his opponent doesn’t treat him kind.

    No stigmas or question marks attached to Usyk’s conduct in the ring - very rare in boxing.
     
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  9. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Thanks

    Yes, especially more so when you factor in how many savage punchers and legit bangers he's fought am/semi pro and pro, including Gassiev who is not only one of the sport's most murderous punchers but one if not the sport's most powerful and best body punchers

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    Absolutely, he's one of the sport's least dirty fighters ever
     
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  10. DaRealJT

    DaRealJT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lost 0 vs Witherspoon
    Lost 4 vs Chisora (116-112)
    Lost 2 vs AJ 1 (118-110)
    Lost 2 vs AJ 2 (118-110)
    Lost 1 vs Dubois
    Lost 6 vs Fury 1 (114-113)
    Lost 5 vs Fury 2 (115-113)

    Total = 20
     
  11. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    That Gassiev would have been a force at HW. Still a chance he turns things around.
     
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  12. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    For sure. We already know he was knocking out and bashing up a lot of the ranked HWs in the gym back when he was healthy and active
     
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  13. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Needs to stay active crushing bums and wait for a call from Turki.
     
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  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Yes, the last six years have been a disaster and he's desperately in need of some good luck
     
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  15. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I had Usyk losing 4 rounds to Chisora I think saying Usyk won that fight 10-2 is a bit of a stretch it was closer than that.

    I had Usyk winning both the Joshua fights 9-3 but the 2nd fight could be closer I think 8-4 is reasonable 10-2 is too wide IMO.

    Again both Fury fights I think you have too wide I can't see 10-2 and 9-3 that for me is too wide and I don't like Fury but i had both fights 8-4 I could see the 1st fight being 7-5.

    Based on my scorecards I have Usyk losing 19 rounds.

    Vitali has a pretty high percentage in rounds won aswell he's barely ever lost rounds in 47 fights infact you could say he's lost only about a dozen rounds in like 47 fights although his opposition wasn't the strongest.
     
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