Usyk Bellew similar to Joshua povetkin, and yet..

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  1. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Joshua isn't as good a boxer as Usyk or Povetkin but he carries single shot power they don't and he is prime, unlike Povetkin.
     
  2. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The proof is in Eddie Hearn's own words / statement, when he said (paraphrasing): "Povetkin is going to be HEAVILY tested".

    Constantly being injected, drains one's blood. Having your blood drained constantly, drains your energy. These are just facts!

    You can pretend Povetkin's performance hadn't dropped significantly, since he fought Duhaupas. But I, and any other objective viewer, would know that Povetkin's power, stamina and his overall knockout threat SIGNIFICANTLY dropped after his fight against Duhaupas. What was the reason for this? What excuse are you going to use?

    How do you go from KO'ing much more durable guys like Duhaupas, Takam and Mike Perez, to failing to even score a single knockdown against inferior opponents with inferior durability in Christian Hammer and Andriy Rudenko, if not from being HEAVILY blood drained from being HEAVILY drug tested / injected (more than other guys)? The only other explanation is Povetkin's old age, along with his lay off somehow causing a huge decline in his knockout abilities after the Duhaupas fight. Either way, whether it's one or the other, the main point, which is the fact that Povetkin declined SIGNIFICANTLY by the time he fought Joshua, compared to how he was a few years earlier, holds true.

    If you can't even drop someone like Hammer in 12 rounds with your best punches landing flush. The same Hammer who was dropped multiple times by light hitting Tyson Fury and cleanly KO'ed by a widely proclaimed feather fist by most boxing fans in Mariusz Wach. The same Wach who just a few days ago, couldn't even drop a glass jawed Artur Szpilka. Then your KO power is simply not cutout for the elite level.

    And then you take 5 rounds to KO David Price, whilst getting dropped in the process. When this same David Price was already KO'ed far more brutally in just 2 rounds, which is far less time and with far fewer punches, by a Turkish joruneyman named Erken Tepper, whilst this journeyman doesn't suffer a knockdown like Povetkin did against Price. This further proves Povetkin's performance not only declined since the Duhaupas fight, but declined ASTRONOMICALLY.

    What explanation are you going to use? Or are you going to once again, blindly ignore the evidence right in front of you, and ask 'what proof have I got', when the proof is literally staring at you right in your face?

    As for Bellew, the dude was gassing against David Haye in the first fight after 6 rounds. So excuses about 'draining' can't be used for Bellew when Bellew has ALWAYS shown suspect stamina at every weight division he has fought. Be it cruiser weight or heavyweight. Or even light heavyweight. And Bellew has never shown the level of stamina that Usyk has. So whatever the case may be, there's no reason to believe Bellew would've done something different against Usyk, if he was somehow magically less 'drained'. Unless you admit he has always been drained throughout his entire career.
     
  3. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    Some serious HOT TAKE SALVOS going on right now.

    I am #LoggedOn and watching
     
  4. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Skin color has no relevance to outcomes of boxing bouts. The things I've mentioned, absolutely do.

    But go ahead and inadvertently (or intentionally for that matter), reveal / expose yourself to be a racist.

    And for the record, before Povetkin faced Joshua, he was coming off 24 rounds against two journeymen named Andriy Rudenko and Christian Hammer, without being able to score a single knockdown in back to back fights against either of them. And this is the same Hammer who was cleanly KO'ed by Mariusz Wach (a guy who is widely considered to be a feather fist by most boxing fans and has just come off a recent performance a few days ago where he failed to even drop a total glass jawed Artur Szpilka in 12 rounds) and got dropped multiple times by light hitting Tyson Fury.

    Then after, Povetkin took 5 rounds to KO a total glass chinned David Price, after getting dropped himself in the 3rd round. And this is the same David Price mind you, who was previously KO'ed INSANELY more BRUTALLY and MUCH quicker with FAR FEWER punches by a Turkish journeyman named Erken Tepper who also didn't get dropped like Povetkin did against Price. Tepper only needed 2 rounds to totally knock Price unconscious. And only a few punches. Whilst Povetkin needed 5 rounds and far more punches to KO Price and even then, Povetkin couldn't KO Price as brutally as Turkish journeyman Tepper did.

    First, let those things sink into your skull / brain / cognitive system, before concluding / proclaiming "Povetkin has brutal KO power". Someone with brutal KO power doesn't go through the things Povetkin went through, 3 fights before he fought Anthony Joshua.

    For all intents and purposes, Povetkin was as close to a feather fist as one can get, when he fought Joshua. When you're hardest flush punches are bouncing off clowns like Hammer and Rudenko with 0 effect, then your power is not only not 'brutal', but is pretty pathetic and should be laughed at. Which is exactly what Hammer did. Laugh off Povetkin's weak ass punches.

    We are to believe Povetkin is some 'brutal' puncher and Usyk is some feather fist? Based on what? What has Povetkin done RECENTLY, to suggest he has recently been a brutal puncher whilst Usyk has recently been a feather fist?

    Usyk's KO over Bellew if anything, suggests that Usyk NOW poses a bigger threat in terms of punching power than current Povetkin does. Even at heavyweight!
     
  5. Accurate

    Accurate Jump back, wanna kiss myself! Full Member

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    Bellew is mixed race himself, black/white.
     
  6. Infern0121

    Infern0121 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    mate you are an embarrasment.
     
  7. Octolony shore

    Octolony shore Well-Known Member Full Member

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    In terms of boxing ability Bellew isn't in the same league as Povetkin though, Joshua definitely had the better opponent.
     
  8. vnyc

    vnyc Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Is he ? Coz I thought he was a stuffed Nigerian sausage
     
  9. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Don't paraphrase. Produce the quotes where Hearn said Povetkin would be tested 24/7? Were they sticking needles into him every hour , every day , every week to the point where Povetkin looked like the Machinist?

    Hearn has no control over when or how many times Povetkin gets tested. Unless you can prove me wrong with factual data , then he was tested no more frequently than Joshua.
     
  10. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    There's no excuses from me. You want to pretend Povetkin was "drained" against Joshua , but refuse to accept that Bellew may have been drained from making a weight limit he hadn't made in years while pushing 36 years old.
    Im merely highlighting your hypocrisy and and double standards.
     
  11. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just curious, what Infern0121 thinks about all the time when he's whacking off? Probably how Usyk is losing? Sweet dreams, but ain't happening soon, mate.
     
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  12. tee_birch

    tee_birch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Povetkin is a far better win than Bellew
     
  13. Dario Argento

    Dario Argento The exotic Waitress banned Full Member

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    Povetkin was 40 years old.

    Bellew had more in the tank left in him.
     
  14. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bellew actually was coming off his career-best wins, he's better now than he was at LHW.
     
  15. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone banned Full Member

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    Joshua 6'6 250lbs 28years old?
    Povetkin 6'2 225lbs 38years old?

    Youre a stupid **** house.