Usyk Beltline & Low Blow Controversy/Dubois Was Robbed! Dump Thread.

Very well said mate!

 

Usyk has been officially knocked down at least three times from body shots (Levit 2011, Beterbiev 2011, Majidov 2013), with three additional known debatable instances (Beterbiev 2012, Joshua 2022, Dubois 2023).

So it's clearly been a chink in his armour throughout his career, at least relative to his iron chin. Usyk's vulnerability to the body/below the beltline can be overstated though as he's 6-0 against these opponents in fights where they dropped him or arguably dropped him.

Usyk has developed a highly effective strategy to mollify this weakness, albeit one which depends on sympathetic officiating:

1. By complaining to the referee every time a borderline shot lands, Usyk deters the opponent from throwing both low blows and bodyshots, provided that the referee at least warns the opponent

2. Usyk chastising the opponent can further deter him, as can a vocal pro-Usyk crowd

3. The judges are less likely to score a bodyshot if Usyk complains about it and they also may be less likely to score bodyshots against Usyk than they would be against other fighters if Usyk doesn't react, with the judges assuming that the punch either missed, only partially landed or was blocked

4. Hitting Usyk with borderline shots is very risky as he may go down, ham it up, possibly have it ruled an intentional low blow, quit and still win by DQ, or at least get points deducted from the opponent

5. Even if the punch is ruled an accidental low blow, Usyk can take up to five minutes to recover, replenishing his strength and stamina and frustrating the opponent, as well as potentially getting points deducted from the opponent

6. If Usyk has already gone down on an alleged low blow in the fight, the opponent may be even more hesitant about throwing similar shots as next time it could be ruled intentional or ruled intentional again, resulting in further point deductions or an Usyk quitjob DQ win

7. "Ukrainian war hero" and “devout Christian” Usyk doesn’t throw dirty shots himself (unlike J. Ruiz, Hopkins), which helps him get the benefit of the doubt from the officials when he complains

Of course, if Usyk turns his back or goes down and the punch is ruled legal then that’s probably bad for him but it’s not necessarily disastrous: history shows that he recovers well, is excellent defensively in a tough situation, if he wins at least seven rounds on two cards then one KD against him doesn’t change the result and the opponent may empty their tank trying to take him out (as Joshua did in the rematch, which effectively surrendered the critical final three rounds to Usyk).

Usyk has also probably benefited from the comical idiocy of his last two opponents, who cost themselves the benefit of the doubt pre-fight:

Joshua: "Hit him on the hip, let the referee tell me off. It's a fight."

Dubois: "Headbutts, knees. I'll beat Usyk by any means necessary."

 

Lol. What a pathetic post.

 

Says the brainless demented fanboy.

 

Your arguments are as solid as Fury's skin around his waist.

 

Then attempt to refute them you low IQ clown.

 

I felt the same at first look but after seeing all the angles its clear the thumb of his glove is on the bottom of the belt line and the rest of it below. Unlike a lot of boxers Usyk wears a low belt, you often see his navel where as a lot of fighters have it much higher, almost at the top of the abdominal muscles, like Naz did back in the day. This was an accidental low blow foul in my opinion.

 

Nope

 

1. "Every time." See, you are already lost. You already prove the agenda here. Because how can you prove this? That's right, you can't. Therefore it can't be refuted either. You are arguing like those cryptozoologists who argue "if you don't think unicorns exist, prove it" knowing full well that non-existence can't be proved. What I mean by that is the following: if I showed you a body punch where Usyk didn't complain, you'd simply say "that was not borderline", arbitrarily picking and choosing the criteria of what constitutes a "borderline shot" to fit your agenda.

2. "A vocal pro-Usyk crowd" - yes, this is a legit argument, since Usyk has fought so many times in front of his crowd, at home. It's not like that he has been a road warrior for a decade now, always fighting at his opponent's backyard. Oh, wait.

3. Yes, because these referees are scared to call things the way they see it because... Why exactly? Usyk's huge influence on the landscape of boxing? But I thought he was just a non-English-speaking foreigner who doesn't draw s**t and whom nobody knows. Or is it his known association with violent criminals such as his dad or internationally wanted mobsters? Wait, that's not it either. That's some other guy but his name escapes me now.

4. "If Usyk built a lead" - So all of your arguments are rubbish because even if they were true, they could only be applied for later rounds. You must have been really confused then when Dubois started to go for the body from the first bell.

5. Yes, this has been a common occurrence. Damn the rule to allow a fighter to recuperate after illegal shots, and especially Usyk and his five-minute breaks, it keeps happening during his fights! There was the Dubois fight where it happened after a low blow, and there were those other instances, you know... When exactly, at which fights?

6. Yep, those little fragile-minded opponents. Dubois, the most weak-minded HW active today, kept going for the body no matter what. Also, when has an opponent of Usyk ever been officially sanctioned for a low blow, ever? Nobody ever got even a single point deducted for anything like that in Usyk's professional career.

7. He doesn't throw dirty shots, what a sneaky, manipulative b***ard to box in accordance with the rules! Despicable.

Your whole attitude is reeks of your agenda. Dubois landed a dozen clean body shots where Usyk just took it and the fight went on as it should. You are simply clutching at straws here. As I said before, it's pathetic.

 

No, the rant AJ did was disgraceful, especially for a man who got dominated twice - taking the champion's mic and talking whatever... Usyk was quick to calm Dubois because of guilt consciousness, knowing that he should've been given a count at best. Telling Dubois "it's not ballet" is not even because of his poor English, just as the totally cliche "you can dream". But I bet some people on this forum took those as highly motivating wise words.

 

For Usyk that's a low blow because he gets that special treatment. For the rest of the boxers it's a legal shot. Any day of the week.

 

Clearly low. Learn the rules, doesn't have to be a direct hit on the sack. Pelvic area. Even if it was ruled a KD Usyk would have gathered himself & beat the count. Dubois got beat down.

 

okey dokey

 

1. I thought it was low, but not by much.
2. Usyk is vulnerable to the body. I know I'm Captain Obvious.
3. The wet ring was a significant advantage to the plodder Dubois. I believe Usyk would have won even more decisively with a dry one and maybe not have a controversial scare.
4. Fury has skill too (including footwork) besides his enormous size advantage (which he knows how to use). If he is reasonably prepared it's hard for me to see him not beating Usyk.