Usyk Beltline & Low Blow Controversy/Usyk Was Hit Low, Ref Made The Right Call! Dump Thread.

Theres countless examples of body shots dropping fighters instantly Ward vs Sanchez ? Is one example off the top of my head.

And you can't see Usyk's belly button when the punch landed, and Dubois's punch landed right on the belt line which was hiding the belly button hence being an abdomen shot.

As I've also said theres countless examples of fighters being legitimately stopped with shots to belt line see above.

 

I've been hit below the belt. I've been dropped by body shots. The process by which you get dropped by a body shot happens after you try to breathe when the wind is knocked out of you. I guess sometimes you can just drop like a sack, but balance of probability, exception not the norm. Also really depends on the fighter.

And Ward Kovalev 2 is a "legitimate body shot stoppage" I'm ****ing dead.

 

Spence was never elite. He was/is very good boxer at WW, with above average skills and IQ. It's just Bud is special.


Usyk was great CW and good HW. It's just, he is not great at HW and he will never be great at HW. why ? He had only one elite performance against AJ and that's it. all the other fights were not world class.

 

I do believe most of the glove was below the naval area. It was definitely a bit low in almost anyway u slice it .

Now do I think he needed five mins ? No

Also I do believe his middle section is a tad glassy from other fights that I’ve seen . Great chin, slightly glassy middle section. Glass balls for sure but that’s most people.

Cat is still a top three p4p fighter and whooped up Debois and made him quit

He definitely didn’t do enough to get the p4p number 1 back yesterday but when Fury decides to fight him, he has a good chance of doing that

Cat is a great fighter

 

Real

 

There countless examples of fighters being dropped instantly like a sack of potatoes from body shot, if you want another example Patterson vs Gatti 2, where Gatti was fortunate to get a rest bite on what was a legit body shot ruled as low.

As for Kovalev vs Ward 2 ? My point is it was scored legitimately as a body shot stoppage was it not ? Whether or not you think it was BS it goes down as that in the record books.

Dubois's punch was less controversial and deemed "low" do you see the point I'm making ? Theres far worse controversial borderline shots that were scored as legitimate body shot knockdowns/stoppages.

 

How does Usyk have a glass body?

He’s the smaller guy and has taken body shots from way bigger heavy handed guys like AJ and Dubois

He definitely doesn’t like bodyshots, but who would enjoy taking them from these guys ..for example the bodyshot AJ landed against him that made him do a little fidgety move

When Wilder one shots opponents there’s no talk of those opponents having glass chins..it’s because he’s a big puncher

 

I'm going to ignore the fact that you've clearly never boxed before and you keep bringing up anecdotal data against the recognized mechanism. I went to Harvard and am at Oxford for a masters in statistics. I know what is required to start minimizing uncertainty.

If, as you say, Kovalev vs Ward 2 was a "legitimately body shot stoppage" because the referee made the decision, by that same token, Usyk vs Dubois is a "legitimate low blow" because the referee made that call. So by your own logic, "Whether or not you think it was BS it goes down as that in the record books."

 

You DKSAB.

 

I'm so tired of dealing with these lowblow heavyweight championship controversies every 70 years, man.

 

Well I did do boxing training in my teens and did do sparring and took punches, but no never fought an actual fight I didn't want to I just wanted to learn how to protect myself and do the training.

Not that I see that has anything to do with actual evidence of professional fighters being dropped instantly with body shots which you asked for ? And I gave you 2 examples of this which counters your theory on Usyk regarding his reaction to being dropped instantly.

As for your last comment I never said it wasn't legitimate ? It's the referee's decision and at the end of the day, and he had to make a decision in real time without replays and he deemed it low so theres nothing anyone can do about it.

That doesn't mean I can't disagree or debate it, just like you disagree with the Ward/Kovalev 2 body shots which were borderline.

The point I was making which I think your not getting, is that these examples which were deemed legitimate, were far worse and lower body shots than Dubois's shot which was deemed low.

Which means its debatable and not an open and shut case.

 

My main conclusion from the fight wasn't Usyk benefited from a referees decision but he's a clear level above anyone in the division as proven by his one sided dismantling of Dubois. If you take away that one debated incident it was another Usyk masterclass and Dubois never looked in charge. On that basis there's no grounds for a rematch .

 

No I got it, I just didn't respond. And it's a very easy response. Worse and lower body shots not being penalized don't mean that they shouldn't be illegal. It also doesn't mean that this one shouldn't be illegal either.
I'm not saying that I believe it. I'm saying that by YOU justify Ward vs Kovalev 2 as legitimate SOLEY because the ref called it legit. Look at your original post and look at your response to mine.

It's really tiring to talk to the unintelligent.

 

Not a bad post but these two statements seem at odds with each other. If it was deemed low then he's entitled to recover. Upto 5 minutes is the rule. Clearly Usyk was bothered by the shot and needed the time to recover.

 

Unintelligent yeah ok "Mr Professional boxer Harvard/Oxford random guy on internet" guess what i work for Nasa too it's true because i claimed it on the internet on a boxing forum.

Secondly it's debatable on what is or isn't deemed "low", shots on the belt line covering the naval passage can be deemed as fair game. And that's the point i've been making in regards to other fights that were deemed legitimate.

Unless it's blatant low blow robbery like Mares/Agbeko 1 which was clearly in the nutsack and ruled as a knockdown.

Ignore list i can't be bothered to debate with "Unintelligent random trolls on the internet".