Usyk could get robbed

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by GotchaHat, Jul 22, 2021.



  1. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What? (LOL) Canelo is one of the best fighters alive today.

    And when Canelo moves up to a new division, he tends to get right to it and fights guys with the title. He doesn't spend two years fighting the unrated nobodies the likes of Chazz Witherspoon or Michael Wallisch and struggle to look good against them.

    See, you proved my point for me. Middleweight is another historically strong division.

    Cruiserweight is not.
     
  2. Bumnard_Hopkins

    Bumnard_Hopkins Burger King banned Full Member

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    The jump from CW to HW is far larger than MW to SMW. Canelo also fought at JMW despite being a solid MW.

    Canelo is the money-maker, he is chased by every boxer regardless of the weight class he happens to be in. Usyk's skill level aside nobody should doubt he was filling to fight Joshua. He simply could not get his shot a year or two ago.

    You still haven't shown how CW has been less competitive than HW in the recent past.
     
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  3. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He will not show this.
    Wilder's last win was November 2019? Best win: 40 years old Ortiz. Hed racked 32-0-0 pro record until get title shot.
    Ruiz? Insulted as fat obese panda and bum in internet posts he had wobbled and finished A.J in distance, in rematch A.J was not able to finish Ruiz Jr. In his last fight Ruiz Jr was not able to finish 40 years old 238 lbs Arreola. This is true mark how today looks HW division top ranked boxers.
    A.J? Had been stopped by huge underdog and late replacement in Ruiz Jr. Had gassed out after 3 rounds vs 39 y.o huge underdog in Pulev, despite he won, this looked not impressive especially because Pulev did almost absolutely nothing in fight vs A.J and still A.J needed 9 rounds to finish him.

    How does looks HW top contender who is ranked in top5 and had been finished by 41 y.o small <230 lbs and over the hill, long years ago out of prime Povetkin's ghost.

    Another boxer : younger than Usyk, larger, with low mileage under belt, still experienced as a pro, natural HW boxer had struggled vs the same Chisora more than " puny CW " Usyk. A.J was not able to finish the same boxer in his own backyard.

    Really competitive division, when Pulev was undefeated and 33 y.o he was mandatory for " bad era boxer " then old Wlad, he was last boxer A.J had fought in title defense fight :p:Dwhen the same Pulev was 39 y.o.:nonono

    Hunter had been touted better than Usyk, he was not able to beat geriatric Povetkin's version and if only power punches had been scored, he had lost vs old Povetkin with a glance. Now looks that for Hunter even Hrgovic is not enough good opponent.

    Real elite divsion, very competitive and boxers fight frequently. :bump
     
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  4. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    For Wilder was easier to beat nonames in long long row, therefore first boxer with pulse he get in pro ring was Tyson Fury.:D
    What a good division, LOL.

    BTW the same Usyk definitely had more chances vs predictable Wilder than vs A.J.
     
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  5. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    & I had forget that sometimes you need to be 40 to get a title fight at HW like old slow Ortiz and 39 y.o to get 2 nd title fight in life like Pulev etc business beauties.

    Usyk if had started as a pro at HW most likely with 18-0-0 HW pro record today had 0 title fights for major world title at HW under his belt.
    It is what this is, HW division is stagnant.
    Bunch with top ranked boxers are the same boxers who were in Klits era ( Klits era long ago is history ).
     
  6. BubblesUK

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    You've just hit on the perfect way to escape this madman's ramblings.

    He doesn't like people stating truths about Wilders pathetic resume, you'll be happily blocked in no time
     
  7. Dubblechin

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    The jump from cruiserweight to heavyweight is ONE pound.

    At 201 pounds, you are a heavyweight.

    It's easier to fight guys who weigh the same or less than you. It's more difficult to fight people who weigh a lot more than you.

    When you're a heavyweight, you have to fight everyone.

    Some accept the challenge. Others do not.

    Some decide to take the easier route, like Usyk did. And that's what Usyk did. Until he couldn't cut the weight anymore.
     
  8. Bumnard_Hopkins

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    Heavyweight has no limit at all. The jump is indefinite.

    The jumps from LH to CW and CW to HW are the most difficult in boxing, which is why there are so few champions who make them.
    Such a disingenuous argument. Cruiser sized heavies fight at HW for money, not titles which they rarely win.

    Title holder HWs have great physical advantages over cruiserweights.
     
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  9. Dubblechin

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    LOL. Deontay Wilder was the WBC heavyweight Champion for FIVE YEARS (2015 to 2020) and made 10 title defenses ... two of them against Fury, who outweighed him by 40 pounds both times.

    Wilder is literally the longest reigning champion of the last decade.

    And he fought in the same division as Usyk in the 2008 Olympics ... and would've faced Usyk in the semifinals for the Bronze, but Usyk lost his quarterfinal bout.

    Wilder turned pro and fought bigger guys.

    Usyk turned pro, fought a handful of heavyweights, and decided to go to cruiser. Because it was easier.

    You're saying so yourself.
     
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  10. bandeedo

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    its amazing how all this gets ignored because......"well, because i like him, ok. no other reason than he makes me feel good. so there."
     
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  11. Surrix

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    Tell this to Wilder, he beated 32 nonames in row to get a title shot and we all do know how Wilder had milked his WBC World title belt with fighting nobodies to defend his belt.
    Until he get Tyson Fury in the ring.
     
  12. Bumnard_Hopkins

    Bumnard_Hopkins Burger King banned Full Member

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    Read my edited comment that I posted before you.

    Wilder's freakish power bailed him out until Fury bodied him. Did you notice how badly Fury was mauling him?

    HW boxing has no upper limit whatsoever, the jump from CW to HW is indefinite.
    Wilder lost to Russo, who was defeated by Usyk in 2012.

    Wilder got a belt, milked it, faced Fury and got exposed. Beaten so badly that he started imagining conspiracies against him.
     
  13. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Usyk lost to Russo in the quarterfinals of the 2008 Olympics, and Russo faced Wilder in the semifinals.

    If Usyk beat Russo in the quarterfinals in 2008, Usyk and Wilder would've fought in the semifinals.

    Wilder and Usyk fought in the same division as amateurs. When Wilder turned pro, he turned pro at heavyweight. When Usyk turned pro, he opted for heavyweight.
     
  14. Bumnard_Hopkins

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    And? Why are you using Wilder's Olympic run into the thread? He got bronze, Usyk won gold.
     
  15. Dubblechin

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    They came from the same division. Usyk chose the easier route as a pro. Wilder chose the harder. You said so yourself, the jump from 200 pounds to heavyweight is the hardest. You said there were no heavyweights under 220 worth talking about this generation.

    Wilder made the jump, won the title and reigned for five years ... longer than all the heavyweights this generation. He hasn't outweighed an opponent in NINE YEARS.

    So, you ARE WRONG.

    Usyk didn't, because he chose the easier route. He could've and did fight in both division. He chose cruiser.

    You can weigh under 220 and be successful. Wilder proved it.