Usyk could get robbed

Oh, now I get it. You are just a Wilder fanboy.

 

Everything I said was true. Earlier in the thread I was called a Joshua fanboy because I said Joshua should win easy.

Just stating facts. And the first response to facts when it comes to Usyk is to accuse people of national bias or fighter bias.

If Joshua is a great heavyweight, he should have no problem with Usyk. Joshua has all the advantages and is in his prime.

Usyk is a middle-aged, often injured in training camp, champion from a historically weaker division.

 

LOL, Wilder had choosed hardest route by milking 1 belt, 0 unification fights vs champs from other organisations, while bad for you Usyk had turned int an UNDISPUTED in division.

Wilder definitely had picked hardest road in backyard, he LOL was not Holyfiled.

He fought not known in europe boxers and NEVER had unification fights.
NEVER during 5 years.
His resume is far worse than even Tabiti, not alone Lopez resume per se. LOL.

This isn't some Dorticos, Tabiti or even just Hunter, not alone to compare him with Holyfield, Tyson, Holmes, DLH, Ward etc and etc, not alone to go compare this stuff with HW boxers from 1945-2000 ies.

LOL.

 

Historical trend is irrelevant when the facts go against it.

What is the average weight (over time) of a long reigning HW champion? Picking Wilder doesn't change the "historical trend" when it comes to HW size.

I expect Joshua to win. He will catch Usyk and probably TKO him.

 

The top 10 longest reigning champions in heavyweight history are, in no particular order, Louis, Ali, V. Klitschko, W. Klitschko, Holmes, Wilder, Johnson, Dempsey, Jeffries and Sullivan.

And I'd imagine the average weight of those guys is 220 or below.

 

Another dishonest post.

 

No. It's not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavyweight

Louis (11 years, 8 months, 8 days)
Wlad (9 years, 7 months, 6 days)
Holmes (7 years, 3 months, 12 days)
Dempsey (7 years, 2 months, 19 days)
Sullivan (7 years, 9 days)
Johnson (6 years, 3 months, 10 days)
Ali (5 years, 11 months, 9 days)
Jeffries (5 years, 11 months, 4 days)
Vitali (5 years, 2 months, 4 days)
Wilder (5 years, 1 month, 5 days)

And if you guys just want to DENY facts and hurl insults, don't bother posting.

 

Sullivan, Jeffries, Louis, Dempsey are not relevant to the modern HW division. Putting Klitschko and Dempsey in the same category is a joke.

 

You asked what the longest reigns over time were. I posted them. It showed you were wrong. Now you want to talk about the longest reigning modern heavyweights.

Well, take out Sullivan, Jeffries, Louis, Dempsey and replace them with the next four modern guys and they are Frazier, Marciano, Patterson and Holyfield and/or Lewis. But most of those guys were lighter than the others we removed.

Regardless, my point stands. And you can look up your own lists.

 

You don't even read comments. What I said:

I did not ask for any name.

 

ofc, Dempsey was 184-188 lbs without special dieting or water cut etc stuff.
With modern diet plan and small water cut Dempsey today will be LHW not even CW boxer with 0 problems.
Imagine how he, if modern boxing training added during long years might had performed vs Canelo , prime Kovalev etc.
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Better to vacate then be forced into a fight you're not ready for at a higher weight. The belt would have cost him a ton of $$ to hold on to, not only in sanctioning fees but the split that GGG would have received would have been much higher. By vacating the belt, it freed him up from the chains and the demands that the WBC was imposing on him. It gave him time to move up in weight and challenge GGG properly at the full 160 for all the belts. When he was ready. A fighter shoudln't be forced to move up in weight before he's ready. He won the title at 155, vacating it gave the title to GGG who was a true Middleweight not a blown up 154-lber.

GGG already had the other belts. What did it matter if Canelo had the WBC belt when he fought him? All the belts would be on the line when he fought GGG, so he didn't think it was that important to have the belt then. The bigger picture was to have the belt after he fought GGG, not before. He ended up winning it back when he beat GGG, becoming a two-time WBC Champ. Vacating the belt wasn't a popular decision at the time, but it was a smart business decision and it worked out well in the end for Canelo. It led to GGG being lulled into a false sense of security which led to Canelo beating him. Ask yourself, BCS8, would it have been better for Canelo to agree to take a smaller split and fight GGG on the WBC's timetable? What if he followed the WBC's demands? What if he would have been forced into fighting GGG at 160 lbs before he was ready and lost?

The most important thing is that he played his cards right and won the war against GGG. Had Canelo allowed the WBC to dictate terms to him, if he didn't put his foot down and take matters into his own hands, history might have played out very different. GGG might still be undefeated. But instead Canelo took his time, fought GGG on his terms and won. From Canelo's perspective, you can't argue with the results. Had he done what you wanted him to do, which was keep the belt and fight GGG right away, it might have turned out differently.

 

"forced". Canelo knew GGG was mandatory. If he didnt want to fight him then he shouldn't have fought for that belt. Instead he did fight for the 160 belt and then proved himself to be a weight-bullying coward by running away like a ***** instead of fighting Golovkin at the weight he won the belt for.

He waited for Golovkin to get older, fought an old fighter and got his ass beaten twice anyway. That's like lauding Mayweather for weight draining Canelo.

 

He wanted to fight Cotto, the only way to fight Cotto was to fight him for that Belt. He had no obligation to defend that title against GGG. He was well aware of what the WBC was trying to do. There was no weight bullying done by Canelo. Canelo repeatedly conceded to the weight demands of his opponents to make fights. He gave Khan an advantage by meeting him at 155. GGG on the other hand weight bullied Brook by forcing him up to 160. And rather than insist GGG fight him at a catchweight, he vacated the belt, and made the move to 160 and challenged for the titles properly. I don't know how you could hold it against him for agreeing to the terms of the belt when he fought Cotto. He did what he had to do to make the fight with Cotto. That was all there was to it. Fighters move up, win a title, a vacate a belt all the time. When Canelo fought Kovalev, he won that title then vacated it. It's no big deal. It's only a big deal to GGG fans because he didn't fight him when GGG wanted him to, which was a smart move. He wasn't ready for 160 or for GGG, and he certainly wasn't going to be given timetables and have a smaller split forced on him. You wanna talk about cowardly, it was cowardly how GGG was using the WBC to do his bidding for him, trying to force Canelo's hand. Canelo put his foot down and said not gonna happen homey. Bye Bye Belt.

Give me my belt, here you go GGG now you wait till I win it back. GGG had to wait a whole year, he aged so much in that year. Then Canelo moved up and gave the old man a whooping twice.

But you say GGG beat his ass? But wasn't he so old? He was so old by then remember. How could old man GGG do that? You can't even get your own story straight lol.

 

Bull****.

Yes he did. Golovkin was the mandatory for the title.

Don't be ridiculous. Khan is a microbe that he dragged up because he knew that Amir's chin is made of china.

Except of course that Brook was heavier than GGG at the weigh in

Because he is that much better than Canelo.