Usyk - Fury I was so similar to Ali - Frazier I...

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  1. freelaw

    freelaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Unbeaten vs unbeaten
    Quiet, hard working no-nonsense type of guy guy vs a bragging loudmouth.
    Large size difference.
    (With obvious differences but...) a never stopping pressure fighter vs a usually not-so-hard hitting counter puncher with good reflexes.
    Clowning on the ropes vs a serious never say die attitude.
    A close fight overall with a late knockdown sealing the deal.
    Amazing recuperative powers of Ali and Fury.
    Fury and Ali bragging about sending the opponent to the hospital and claiming they won
    Both also saying they played too much and just need to get serious next time.

    Do you think the second fight might play out similarly to Ali-Frazier 2? I do. I think people who write Fury off are largely prisoners of the moment.

    It was close, and even directly before the knockdown in round 9 I think Fury was doing well and hurt Usyk to the body and head. If he just doesn't get caught like that again, it shall be very close.
     
  2. Mordechai

    Mordechai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Usy beat him in a competitive fight clearly.
    Tyson has not the same quality of discipline as ali and usyk is truly a generational talent+ atg mental power, durability, discipline, stamina and iron chin
     
  3. freelaw

    freelaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Didn't Frazier beat Ali clearly in a competitive fight? I think that's one of the similarities.

    As for discipline, we shall see. He's clearly capable of being disciplined for stretches of time when he's motivated, and it seems like now he has a good reason to be.
     
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  4. oldcanvasback

    oldcanvasback Active Member Full Member

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    It did remind me a bit of Ali Frazier 1!
    If Fury doesn't back out or delay then we know he's firing on all cylinders and believes he can win. He's pretty creative so he may come up with some left field tactic.

    The problem is how will Fury not get caught? Usyk is a cardio machine, he just keeps coming and I think he paces himself but times it so he's spent by the end.
    I don't think Tyson can become fit enough to do that. With fatigue comes not just lower output, looser defence, sloppier work in general but decision making and awareness.

    Of course I'm probably wrong and we'll have a trilogy for ages in 2025
     
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  5. freelaw

    freelaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Fury will be very aware of the situation in the later rounds, and that itself diminishes the possibility of him getting caught with something that big by a lot. I also don't think he really believed Usyk could hurt him that bad and now he does.

    In the later rounds he only got caught very badly when he did that silly combination of pitty pat straight left-rights, probably overconfident from the earlier success in the round.

    As for his shape, I wonder why can't he go down in weight to the level he was in the Wlad fight... But overall you're probably right, there's no way he doesn't get outworked in the later rounds.
     
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  6. Mordechai

    Mordechai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He has no discipline at all. His job is to be a professional sportsman and boxer that's means he has to be in peak shape during his sporting career and that's means he has to follow a diet which prolongs his prime. Fury does none of this in comparison to great fighters like usyk, klitschkos, holyfield, Lewis (lewis against vitali was in his worst shape ever, fury was not even close to beeing that good on shape like lewis in the vitali fight), joshua, Ali, Holmes, Frazier and so on
     
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  7. freelaw

    freelaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    True, but he is capable of GETTING in shape.

    Also, partly his body type makes him look worse than he really is I think.

    Besides, from what I hear he trains a lot, eating is more of a problem. Notice that his stamina was never a problem, arguably it was pretty good even in the Usyk fight.

    Has he worn his body out beyond being able to get in shape again, remains to be seen.
     
  8. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Another similarity was that, both Fury and Usyk had the claim to call themselves THE heavyweight champion, just like Ali and Frazier did.
     
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  9. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Another similarity, usyk was more busted up post fight

    A future similarly, Fury wins fights 2 and 3, while stopping Usyk in the 3rd
     
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  10. Curtis Lowe

    Curtis Lowe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    114 - 113, 114 - 113 and 115 - 112 is not clearly. It leaves a lot to debate.
    One thing that gets constantly over looked is Fury could not spar as much due to the cut.
    Fury detractors pleasantly seem to over look the lack of sparring equation.
     
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  11. freelaw

    freelaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What makes you say that?

    I thought it was clear with the KD and there's pretty much a consensus now, I didn't even hear John Fury denying that.
     
  12. KO_King

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    It's an interesting comparison. Though I'm not convinced Fury has the discipline, fortitude -or time left - to reverse the loss like Ali did. They are different fighters in different scenarios. I don't think a rematch will change the result.
     
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  13. SergioJ91

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    Usyk will be even better in the rematch...Fury won't...
     
  14. freelaw

    freelaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why not? I'm not saying he will but why isn't it an option?

    Also, I think Usyk, with his style, is at age when a bad night/performance is likely to happen finally. How many fighters pushing 40 did you see improving?

    Usyk himself said it was his toughest fight and that was for a reason. He was getting tagged good and had to dig really deep, make no mistake about it.
     
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  15. Jennifer Love Hewitt

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    Disagree. There is no room for Usyk to improve. He's always in the best shape possible. There are not any big holes in his skills. He's at an age where realistically he can only get worse.

    Hypothetically, Fury has some room to get better since he's not been in the best shape he could possibly be. But he's also at an age where it's more likely he gets worse.