Usyk in the 70s.

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Chisora and Frazier are nothing alike.

    Stop.

    Frazier was smaller and faster, with great head movement, bobbing and weaving, with endless stamina and pressure.

    What are you talking about?


    You probably think that Usyk would have beaten Mike too.
     
  2. reckless

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    Chisora is a pressure fighter.

    Holyfield and Douglas both beat Tyson and Usyk is a level above.
     
  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    These posts are getting worse.


    That’s terrible casual fan like logic.


    Has it not occurred to you, that Usyk fights nothing like Evander and Douglas??

    Has it not occurred to you that he’d have been fighting a different version of Mike?


    Can you not appreciate how they’d have matched up stylistically?


    Usyk has absolutely nothing to have kept Mike off of him.

    Nothing.

    A really easy fight to predict.
     
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  4. themaster458

    themaster458 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You're the one who needs to understand how size and weight works sorry if basic biology and physics is too hard for you to understand.
     
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  5. themaster458

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    Worse fighters then Usyk have kept Tyson off of them and Tyson tends to fade since his style is very energy intensive whereas Usyk only gets stronger as the fight goes on.
     
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  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Another terrible post.


    Styles determine the outcome of the fights.

    Not size and weight.


    Usyk had a harder time with Breidis, than what he did with AJ.

    Ali had a harder time with Frazier than Foreman.


    It’s nothing to do with biology.


    If you can’t see how a small pressure fighter could cause Usyk issues, when he hasn’t got the power to stop them, then you have zero knowledge of the sport.

    Small, power punching pressure fighters would be the worst stylistic match ups for him, and much harder than against bigger, slower guys.

    How do you not know this??
     
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  7. Loudon

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    It’s nothing to do with being a worse fighter.

    Again, it’s styles.

    You had to beat Mike down in order to stop him coming. Or just try and survive, which couldn’t win you the fight.

    Usyk does not have a huge, great jab.

    He isn’t immensely powerful, and an inside fighter.

    He hasn’t got the power to have stopped or to have deterred Mike from getting inside of his range.

    Mike would have thrown power punches from both stances.

    A terrible match up for a technical fighter with little power.

    Mike would have suffocated him on the inside.
     
  8. Loudon

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    Tyson was still throwing power punches in the 12th round of his war with Ruddock.

    His stamina was fine when fully fit and motivated.
     
  9. themaster458

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    And yet Usyk hardest fight was Fury who is the biggest super heavyweight there is maybe there's a reason weight classes are a thing genius and we don't just have open weight fights. Usyk would bully and destroy Frazier who's way too small to give him a tough fight considering Usyk was able to physically push around two superheavyweights but magically he wouldn't be able to do that to a small heavyweight???? Delusional
     
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  10. themaster458

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    How many knockouts did he have in the later rounds? Oh right barely any gee I wonder why..... You seem like someone who watches a lot of highlight reels and not a lot of actual fights.
     
  11. PolishAssasin

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    Usyk has exactly the same height, weight, and reach as Ali. Was Frazier too small to handle Ali? The only one who could overpower Frazier was Foreman, and Usyk is not Foreman.
     
  12. themaster458

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    Not weight Usyk weights more in these fights then Ali at his best before he got chubby and again show me Ali pushing around superheavyweights like Usyk is able to
     
  13. Loudon

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    You are the delusional one.

    This is so stupid, I feel like I’m being trolled.


    Nobody is talking about open weight classes.

    Only the various sizes and weights of HW boxers.


    A small HW vs a huge HW, isn’t like a WW fighting a LHW is it.

    A small HW maybe small, but he’s still a HW.


    I’m not saying that physical attributes aren’t important. Only that it has to depend on the circumstances.


    Styles make fights.

    It will always be that way.


    AJ may crush Breidis.

    But Breidis would always be a tougher stylistic match up for Usyk than AJ.


    Usyk out manoeuvred two huge, slower HW’s.

    But a smaller, faster HW who pressured him every second, would be much more problematic.


    Too small to have given him a tough night??

    Jesus.

    Ali and Usyk are the EXACT SAME size, and Frazier suffocated Ali on the inside, giving him three of his hardest fights of his career, as he cut down his time and space.


    Usyk would have bullied Frazier??

    Ha!

    Oh my.


    If you’re not trolling me, you should be embarrassed of yourself.

    I figured all of this out when I was about 10 years old. So god knows why you’re yet to work it out.
     
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  14. Loudon

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    That stat is nothing without the relevant context being applied.

    And it’s not relevant anyway.

    The point is, Tyson went to war with Ruddock for 12 rounds, where he was still throwing power punches in the final round, of a fast paced fight.

    So he wouldn’t have emptied the tank against a guy who wouldn’t have had a firefight against him.
     
  15. themaster458

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    Usyk bigger and stronger then Ali was smart one its why he's able to push around superheavyweights and if he's able to push around superheavyweights why wouldn't he be able to push around a small heavyweight like evidently you still haven't learnt basic logic and instead just repeat the same styles nonsense without actually thinking about things logically. Please use your brain instead of just repeating trite catchphrase like an AI without actually thinking things through.