Usyk in the 70s.

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    This guy is clueless.

    Like a casual fan on social media.


    Usyk would have beaten Tyson.

    Why?

    Because he was much better than Douglas, who Tyson lost to.


    Ha!


    That would be like saying that Floyd Mayweather would have beaten Thomas Hearns like he was a nobody, considering that he was on another planet to a guy like Iran Barkley.


    This guy is either trolling, or he’s just become a fan of the sport.

    Either way, these posts are horrific.
     
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  2. themaster458

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    Ruddock isn't Usyk who tires his opposition out with his pace and Tyson clearly slows down as the fight goes on he's still active but not as much hence why he doesn't have much late knockouts. It would be a hard matchup for sure but if Usyk can survive the early rounds (which i have a feeling he can considering how good his chin, defense and footwork is) then he can def win.
     
  3. MarkusFlorez99

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    He didn't fight like that against Briedis when put under pressure, because that's not his style he doesn't like to clinch constantly or push opponent's off balance. Holyfield might have clinched more with Tyson than Usyk has clinched in his entire career. I'm willing to bet that's a legit statistic
     
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  4. Loudon

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    And again, I ask myself if I’ve been trolled.


    Hey, genius, answer me this question:


    He beat a huge SHW twice, with relative ease.

    A HUGE SHW.

    Right?


    So then how did he go life and death, with Maris Breidis at CW??


    If he could beat AJ with relative ease, why couldn’t he beat Breidis like he was nothing??


    What’s your answer to that.


    Engage your brain.

    Think logically.

    And when you’ve come up with the answer, (I’ll help you - it was styles) then apply it to these other scenarios


    Frazier would have been in his face, on his chest, relentlessly pursuing him.

    And considering that he hasn’t got Foreman’s strength, power and inside fighting abilities, it would have been a very tough night for him.
     
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  5. Loudon

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    Jesus.

    That’s not the point is it.


    Of course Usyk isn’t Ruddock.


    What I’m saying is:

    If he had enough gas in the tank to go to war with an aggressive fighter for 12 rounds, then he’d have had more than enough to have not run out against the kind of fight that Usyk would have presented him with.


    Yes, Usyk can tire out fighters.

    Especially the huge HW’s.

    But he wouldn’t have tired Mike out, because he couldn’t have out manouvered him.

    He wouldn’t have been afforded the time and the space.


    How would he have won exactly?

    Mike would not have engaged him in a chess match.
     
  6. Loudon

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    I can’t wait to read his answer on why Breidis was a harder fight for him than AJ.
     
  7. themaster458

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    He was the same size as Briedis that's why he had to bulk up once he got to heavyweight otherwise he would have just been bullied by the superheavyweights
     
  8. themaster458

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    Maybe because he was bigger at heavyweight then Cruiserweight or do you just assume he was the exact same size in both fights. You really know nothing about how size works do you? Maybe watch some wrestling or MMA might be good for you to get a better understanding of why weight actually matters in a fight
     
  9. Loudon

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    Why was Breidis a harder fight for him, than a super HW in AJ??
     
  10. cuchulain

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    Ali
    Loses decisively to prime Ali. He still loses loses to the Ali of Quarry and Bonavena. Post Manila, I'd favour Usyk.

    Frazier
    Early seventies Joe... 50 / 50. It would be a tougher fight than any he's actually had so far.
    Post Manila Joe...Usyk takes it.

    Foreman
    Pre Ali Foreman stops Usyk.
    Post Ali Foreman 50 / 50

    Holmes. Early seventies Usyk wins. Prime Holmes...50 / 50

    Norton: 50 /50

    Young: Usyk wins

    Quarry: Usyk wins.

    Bonavena: Usyk wins
     
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  11. Loudon

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    Don’t ever question my knowledge after the nonsense that you’ve written.


    Maybe?

    Maybe, what?

    You’re not even sure.


    Yes, Usyk was slightly bigger against AJ.


    But I am asking you why:

    A much smaller CW caused him more issues than a HUGE SHW??


    Why??


    I already know the answer.

    But I want you to tell me.
     
  12. cuchulain

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    Cooper beat Ali ?

    Damn !

    I musta missed that.
     
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  13. themaster458

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    Because he was bigger against AJ then Breidis he bulked up a lot between the two. The Usyk that fought AJ would have walked through Bredis whereas the Usyk that fought Breidis would have lost to AJ. Idk why can't acknowledge size is a factor in fights there's a reason heavyweight has been dominated by superheavyweights with only Usyk bucking that tend (also the reason why Usyk is so special)
     
  14. themaster458

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    He wasn't slightly bigger he bulked up a lot to be able to compete with superheavyweights the same Usyk that was at Cruiserweight would not have been able to beat AJ you really need to learn a bit about physical fitness cause it's clear you know nothing and can only repeat the same catchphrase over and over
     
  15. MarkusFlorez99

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    Usyk is about 10 pounds bigger compared to cruiserweight, slower and 38 years old. if he wasn't getting bullied now he was never getting bullied by these guys. Fury didn't even try to bully him for most of the fight. He opted to stay on the backfoot or the center of the ring and Usyks high guard nullifies most punching in the clinch. Fury leaning wasn't enough to sap his gas tank, he couldn't even sap Wallins gas tank. What decent heavyweight besides no skill, low iq Wilder have we seen Fury bully and score a KO ?

    Super heavyweights are overrated, and Usyk never bullied any of his cruiserweight opponents despite being a large cruiserweight, not his style. When attacked Usyk likes to put the earmuffs on and get an outside angle
     
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