Usyk in the 70s.

I don’t have to prove anything to you. I am expert you may not be if you honestly think John J Magilacutty is the greatest of all time.

 

I'm just making a point there. I never saw him fight and neither did you.

My point is this is all made up conjecture with no way to prove any of it.

These are opinions, not facts.

 

But you're making a statement that the sport has evolved but I'm not seeing it as I said bigger doesn't mean better. Heavyweights today are too big they're too slow and they don't have the fluency or speed nor do they have the cardio levels. Usyk has pretty much ended the myth that you need to be a giant to be successful in the modern era of Heavyweights.

I think the perfect sized Heavyweights was between the 70s-90s you had a good range of Heavyweights at 210-240 pounds and between 6'2-6'4 in height who all were still athletic with the speed and cardio levels to fight a hard battle for 12 or 15 rounds.

As I said if the sport has evolved who are the Heavyweights now that look more impressive than a prime Ali, Holmes, Lewis, Tyson.

 

Lewis spanked Tyson. Tyson spanked Holmes. Holmes slaughtered Ali.

And so it goes...

I don't think Fury is an easy fight in any era. Usyk is not an easy fight in any era.

I don't think there has ever been a guy as big as Fury with the agility and boxing skills he had. His recovery after getting hit is super-natural.

A talented guy even if coming off a couple of close losses.

It's safe to say, Ali or Frazier never fought anyone with his attributes. How that would go would be just a guess.

 

He has not been hit by a guy who really has the skills to go along with the power otherwise he would be gone. Wilder was the most technically incompetent heavyweight champion from a fundamental skills perspective. When I made my predictions for the Fury vs Wilder fights 1 and 2 people thought I was mad on here but I know what I am seeing.

 

Vlad, who used Wilder as a sparring partner had a good perspective.

He said Wilder hit really, really hard, but had holes in his game. The fundamentals were not there.

That was sort of obvious but coming from a guy that trained with him, adds some weight.

Wilder at his best had probably as much power as anyone other than John J Maguilacutty. He had good reflexes, was a good athlete and a fighters instincts. Just not skilled enough.

 

Ali was a shell of himself when he fought Holmes.

Tyson was shot when he fought Lewis.

Holmes was 38 coming off a 2 year lay off when he fought Tyson.

If your argument is beating fighters past their prime then that's not a good argument.

What about Foreman competing in the 90s when his era was the 70s ? And Holmes aswell when his era was the late 70s/early 80s.

A completely shot Holyfield in his late 40s got robbed vs 7 foot Valuev.

 

Mike Tyson was 35 when he fought Lewis.
Ali was only 38 when he fought Holmes.
Louis was 37 when he fought Marciano.

This makes Usyk fighting at the level he's fighting even more impressive.

Even well past his physical prime he has the skills to do what only Evander "Evan Fields" Holyfield did before him.

Compare Usyk to any of the Greats at his current age and he comes out on top. Not even close.

 

You can't compare ages like that.

Ali had 61 professional fights and had been fighting world class opposition for over 15 years he also had early stages of parkinsons after the Shavers fight.

Tyson had a troubled life outside the ring he lost 3 years because of prison he also lost another 2 years due to the ear biting vs Holyfield. He'd also had over 50 professional fights and his style of fighting is also very taxing on the body which is not suited to being in your mid 30s.

Louis had fought 33 ranked Heavyweights and had fought 25 championship fights with close to 70 professional fights.

Usyk also has had less than half the amount of professional fights than all of the fighters above. Usyk is a great but we don't need to discredit older fighters and make out this era is the best Heavyweight of all time because it clearly isn't.

 

Sure you can. This thread is fantasy world. I didn't realize there are hard rules in fantasy land.

 

Sure if you back up that claim with a strong argument which I don't think you have nor have made any good rebuttals to my points.

 

Which claim? Do you think Ali beats Usyk when they are both 38?

How about Joe Louis or Mike Tyson? Joe Frazier?

Not a chance.

Proof is inherently not possible in these fantasy threads.

 

Wilder’s skills and technical proficiency can be described as agricultural.

 

What has that got to do with anything ? So you're comparing Usyk to fighters who have over triple the amount of professional fights to Usyk ?

I'm sure if Ali and Louis only had 23 professional fights in 11 years they would be alot more fresher aswell in their late 30s.

 

Lol. And on that point we agree.