Mike beat Olympic champions Usyk is an Olympic champion And a world amateur and European champion He would very likely be a two-time Olympic champion had he not got robbed in his first Olympic cycle IMO Mike obviously has more depth at HW given how he's a career HW who had over 30 more pro fights and turned pro at 18 y/o, not at almost 27 y/o Uysk has a ton of wear and tear and mileage on his odometer from his 350 amateur career and decades of gruelling training Mike was brutally KO'd in the midst of his prime at 23 y/o by a fighter Usyk, even this 38 y/o version, would've boxed the ears off If blown up CW Usyk was KO'd at 38 y/o by a way bigger murderous punching world champion or top contender even though, unlike Mike, he's not a career HW, he would be crucified on a molten cross for it by the same people who have a million excuses for Mike getting brutally KO'd in the midst of his prime and every single one of his other losses and they would tear Usyk's legacy to pieces. Mike shot to smithereens at 23, Usyk smack bang in the midst of his prime at 38 and he hasn't declined even 00000.1%
I think we should give usyk respect to be a very skilled boxer but not waste time i talking him to be something like a hw GOAT with his 8 hw fights and only 2 noticeable hw wins . Is it the ukrainian hype due to the war ?
You guys got to stop. Mike Tyson knocked out many of his opponents early in the fight…that’s a DUCK!!! Usyk doesn’t do that.
well, apparently Tyson's fans have a lot of excuses, as if one that is true, proven, obvious was not enough - he was an undisciplined fighter with a lot of personal problems who quickly achieved success and quickly burned out, leaving boxing, just like - without looking far - like Michael Spinks' brother. Leon Spinks is Mike Tyson a little before Tyson. However, no one claims that Sekorski knocking out 33-year-old past prime Spinks won an elite victory, but Lennox Lewis knocking out 36-year-old past prime Tyson did. Danny Williams didn't... Okay. I heard that Michael Spinks was not a real HW, he was a real HW in the HW debut with Holmes, but in the fifth fight in HW he was LHW again. I also heard that he was scared, terrified... he was not afraid when he went out to the best LHW and the dominator 48-0 Holmes, he was afraid of Tyson... and that's Mike's problem, not Michael's problem, we can't take the victory seriously because he scared his rivals. Everyone knows that if he didn't scare, he lost I also hear that Spinks was unprepared and injured... but no one talked about it before the fight. Ali, Moore, Atlas. Dunphy and a few others were betting on Spinks, but they didn't know that Michael was limping on his leg and that his leg would be a problem in the first minute of the fight. Spinks himself didn't think of explaining his defeat, but don't worry, there are people who know better than him what was wrong with him and why he lost. hasn't fought in a year? well, Usyk and Crawford need to be warned not to make the same mistake. In another thread I read that long breaks allow boxers to regenerate, but for Spinks they cause injuries, fear and being a LHW fighter again
Rambling nonsense. His knee injuries were well known. With literally seconds of research... Michael Spinks experienced significant knee issues throughout his boxing career, which impacted his fighting schedule at times, with reports mentioning a knee injury that limited his activity in 1979 and was cited as a factor in his early career struggles;. Here's a New Tork Times article, for you... michael-spinks-is-under-pressure.html Michael virtually ended his own career and moved into Leon's shadow. A knee injury kept him on the sidelines almost all of 1979. It happened, he said, from running with combat boots on concrete. ''The doctor said something had to give,'' said Michael, ''and it wasn't going to be the concrete or the boots.''
so from the beginning of his career he struggled with his knees, which did not prevent him from fighting except the one and only one with Tyson, even though he had a year for rehabilitation and had fought more often before... everything is fine, my friend there is some truth in this. LHW, old man, with bad knees, scared... did I forget something?
Uh, chronic injuries get worse as you get older. You are flat-out in denial, now. Really, this is pathetic.
There was no word about Spinks being sick before the fight.. You sent a link about Spinks' illness in 1979, the fight with Tyson took place in 1988, in the meantime, sick Spinks became one of the greatest boxers in history. It's like I sent a link to his lung problems that he had in elementary school, which was around the same time as Spinks with his knees, and based on that I was justifying Tyson's cardio problems when he fought Holyfield, but I won't do something idiotic like that because I'm not you. I haven't heard anything about Spinks having a break due to a knee problem, why isn't he in a wheelchair yet if the disease is progressing
I would file that under the list of excuses. Prior to knocking out Mike he was KO'd by David Bey, Mike White, and Tony Tucker And I thought he lost to Douglas because he was banging Japanese hookers? (sarcasm not directed at you) We can say the same about many fighters who've sprung big/huge upsets over greats or some of the best fighters in the world at the time - ''that super motivated dialled in version of them would've beaten any great or world champion or gave them hell on that particular night'' If Usyk was KO'd just once by any of those guys at 38 y/o or older he would, as said, be crucified on a molten cross. Hell, if he lost on points to a much or way bigger and younger prime current world champion or top contender at that age or older he would be hung, drawn and quartered for it and his legacy ripped to pieces by the exact same people who freely afford the likes of their unbeatable god idols from previous eras, let alone if he got clipped by a much or way bugger prime savage punching world champion or top contender at that age, a million excuses for their losses and we all know it If Usyk was KO'd by Oliver McCall or Hasim Raham at 38 y/o + he would be hung from the gallows and his dead body would be dismembered and fed to pigs by these people. Just one loss when in his late 30s whilst campaigning in a division full of giants and where even the smaller top guys are still significantly or much bigger than him and he's a bum. AJ has a brace of TKO/KO losses to Fat Andy and the savage punching Dubois but he's a ''bum'' according to them They're extremely selective when it comes to handing out excuses. Rules for thee but not for me or rather not for my guys or fighters who come from the right parts of the world or my guys from other eras. I don't play that game I try to be fair but if they insist we play by the set of rules they apply so selectively then I'm going to force them to play by them when they are loathe to do so Many believe Mike was a bully who thrived on intimidation and his opponents already having been beaten before they climbed into the ring and when he fought fighters who actually believed in themselves he caved in under the weight of the pressure and once that aura of invincibility was exposed and destroyed the monster ever so unsurprisingly became much more beatable. FTR, I'm not directing any of this at you
Man. I'm not a tyson fanboy, I think in his mythical prime HE himself is a handful for any heavyweight in history, and i don't buy the 'bully' agenda, look at the Ruddock fights for reference, and Douglas, Holyfield 1, Lewis. Guy took his lumps. But yeah, I don't see there is anything controversial about suggesting THAT Douglas fought the fight of his life. He was mobile, his jab was sublime, his uppercuts timed to perfection and he had the heart of a lion that night. Sometimes the stars align, and sometimes they collide. Douglas may well have only fought that way once, for 45 minutes or so, but boy I'm glad I saw it, because that night, for one night only, man, he was sublime
I was a huge Mike fanboy. I think he was a handful for anyone But he was brutally KO'd in the midst of his prime by a fighter who was knocked out by David Bey, Mike White and Tony Tucker the later being a higher lever than the other two and Mike is afforded excuses for this loss and all his other losses which Usyk and others would never be afforded if they lost when in their late 30s and past their primes vs prime much bigger giants and murderous punching much bigger giants. That's my point. Again, the same things can be said about many others who sprung big/huge upsets
Serge, I'm not sure what point you are making. I'm not affording Tyson any leeway, he got his ass handed him every way but pickled by a huge underdog. I think THAT Douglas had a shout with any Tyson, but that don't change the facts, he got thoroughly beaten by someone who wasn't supposed to beat him. So what. That's boxing. That's the fight game. I simply extend huge respect to both participants and shrug my shoulders because evidently the best man won. I'd say the difference if we are looking to objectively analyse fighters might be that Tyson, Lewis, hell Wlad, their victories were often conclusive in a way that Usyks have not been yet. People decry the division as being in a parlour state, not me, I don't, and however you feel about it, Fury and AJ are not ATG fighters and Usyk did not conclusively, dominantly beat them the way Mike beat his predecessors. Now, I get that. That's because Usyk is not a power puncher, he is a sublime boxer fighting men who are regularly much bigger than he is. He doesn't have that snap Mikey had, or even that grinding exciting rock em sock em drag em out excitement that Evander had. He is a purists fighter, a generations talent that has beaten all his contemporaries but, whisper it, still doesn't have a 'signature' win; for me, AJ 2 was his best performance by a long way, THAT AJ, similarly to THAT Douglas, would have been a handful for most. And that, my friend, gives a pleasing circularity to this discussion. I'm with you. I really am. There isn't the love and adulation for Usyk that other fighters have enjoyed. But there IS a reason for that. Ps...i do wonder if a fit, focused Daniel Dubois full of the belief being a champ brings might run over his ageing bones next time...and if he does...I'll not question his greatness. Father time is the only undefeated operator, his '0' will never go