Usyk is 38 years old

I think we should give usyk respect to be a very skilled boxer but not waste time i talking him to be something like a hw GOAT with his 8 hw fights and only 2 noticeable hw wins .

Is it the ukrainian hype due to the war ?

 

Lost 25 rounds in those 8 fights too and has really only fought guys from 1 country.

 

You guys got to stop. Mike Tyson knocked out many of his opponents early in the fight…that’s a DUCK!!! Usyk doesn’t do that.

 

well, apparently Tyson's fans have a lot of excuses, as if one that is true, proven, obvious was not enough - he was an undisciplined fighter with a lot of personal problems who quickly achieved success and quickly burned out, leaving boxing, just like - without looking far - like Michael Spinks' brother. Leon Spinks is Mike Tyson a little before Tyson. However, no one claims that Sekorski knocking out 33-year-old past prime Spinks won an elite victory, but Lennox Lewis knocking out 36-year-old past prime Tyson did. Danny Williams didn't...
Okay. I heard that Michael Spinks was not a real HW, he was a real HW in the HW debut with Holmes, but in the fifth fight in HW he was LHW again.
I also heard that he was scared, terrified... he was not afraid when he went out to the best LHW and the dominator 48-0 Holmes, he was afraid of Tyson... and that's Mike's problem, not Michael's problem, we can't take the victory seriously because he scared his rivals. Everyone knows that if he didn't scare, he lost
I also hear that Spinks was unprepared and injured... but no one talked about it before the fight. Ali, Moore, Atlas. Dunphy and a few others were betting on Spinks, but they didn't know that Michael was limping on his leg and that his leg would be a problem in the first minute of the fight. Spinks himself didn't think of explaining his defeat, but don't worry, there are people who know better than him what was wrong with him and why he lost.
hasn't fought in a year? well, Usyk and Crawford need to be warned not to make the same mistake. In another thread I read that long breaks allow boxers to regenerate, but for Spinks they cause injuries, fear and being a LHW fighter again

 

I think THAT version of Buster is a handful for most man, I really do.

 

Rambling nonsense. His knee injuries were well known.

With literally seconds of research...

Michael Spinks experienced significant knee issues throughout his boxing career, which impacted his fighting schedule at times, with reports mentioning a knee injury that limited his activity in 1979 and was cited as a factor in his early career struggles;.

Here's a New Tork Times article, for you...

michael-spinks-is-under-pressure.html

Michael virtually ended his own career and moved into Leon's shadow. A knee injury kept him on the sidelines almost all of 1979. It happened, he said, from running with combat boots on concrete. ''The doctor said something had to give,'' said Michael, ''and it wasn't going to be the concrete or the boots.''

 

so from the beginning of his career he struggled with his knees, which did not prevent him from fighting except the one and only one with Tyson, even though he had a year for rehabilitation and had fought more often before... everything is fine, my friend there is some truth in this.
LHW, old man, with bad knees, scared... did I forget something?

 

Uh, chronic injuries get worse as you get older.

You are flat-out in denial, now. Really, this is pathetic.

 

There was no word about Spinks being sick before the fight..
You sent a link about Spinks' illness in 1979, the fight with Tyson took place in 1988, in the meantime, sick Spinks became one of the greatest boxers in history. It's like I sent a link to his lung problems that he had in elementary school, which was around the same time as Spinks with his knees, and based on that I was justifying Tyson's cardio problems when he fought Holyfield, but I won't do something idiotic like that because I'm not you. I haven't heard anything about Spinks having a break due to a knee problem, why isn't he in a wheelchair yet if the disease is progressing

 

Man. I'm not a tyson fanboy, I think in his mythical prime HE himself is a handful for any heavyweight in history, and i don't buy the 'bully' agenda, look at the Ruddock fights for reference, and Douglas, Holyfield 1, Lewis. Guy took his lumps. But yeah, I don't see there is anything controversial about suggesting THAT Douglas fought the fight of his life. He was mobile, his jab was sublime, his uppercuts timed to perfection and he had the heart of a lion that night. Sometimes the stars align, and sometimes they collide. Douglas may well have only fought that way once, for 45 minutes or so, but boy I'm glad I saw it, because that night, for one night only, man, he was sublime

 

Serge, I'm not sure what point you are making. I'm not affording Tyson any leeway, he got his ass handed him every way but pickled by a huge underdog. I think THAT Douglas had a shout with any Tyson, but that don't change the facts, he got thoroughly beaten by someone who wasn't supposed to beat him. So what. That's boxing. That's the fight game. I simply extend huge respect to both participants and shrug my shoulders because evidently the best man won.

I'd say the difference if we are looking to objectively analyse fighters might be that Tyson, Lewis, hell Wlad, their victories were often conclusive in a way that Usyks have not been yet. People decry the division as being in a parlour state, not me, I don't, and however you feel about it, Fury and AJ are not ATG fighters and Usyk did not conclusively, dominantly beat them the way Mike beat his predecessors. Now, I get that. That's because Usyk is not a power puncher, he is a sublime boxer fighting men who are regularly much bigger than he is. He doesn't have that snap Mikey had, or even that grinding exciting rock em sock em drag em out excitement that Evander had. He is a purists fighter, a generations talent that has beaten all his contemporaries but, whisper it, still doesn't have a 'signature' win; for me, AJ 2 was his best performance by a long way, THAT AJ, similarly to THAT Douglas, would have been a handful for most. And that, my friend, gives a pleasing circularity to this discussion. I'm with you. I really am. There isn't the love and adulation for Usyk that other fighters have enjoyed. But there IS a reason for that.

Ps...i do wonder if a fit, focused Daniel Dubois full of the belief being a champ brings might run over his ageing bones next time...and if he does...I'll not question his greatness. Father time is the only undefeated operator, his '0' will never go

 

I think Fury 2 was the best Usyk since AJ 1