Usyk is being way overhyped

I can't think of anyone in the current top ten (boxrec) that'd trouble Usyk outside of Joshua. Current Fury wouldn't have the speed or sharpness to outslick Usyk. Povetkin, I think, becomes a victim as well. Ortiz might be dangerous, but I think Usyk's speed would prove the difference here.

 

HW have already gotten as big as can be while performing. No 6' will ever be champ again, those days are long gone.

Size definitely isn't everything but it is something and that something is a huge game Changer. Talking a huge changer with the elite talents. Why are people in such denial over the obvious, it only truly affects the hw division

 

You seriously have Fury a top 5 hw, right now?

 

Your nuts are too far up Usyk you've lost all blood streaming to the brain. Obviously he was a few levels above his last opponent, maybe more. What about the very fight previous to that, was that entirely a style match up that hurts him or is that opponent also a once in a history talent???

The fighter some of you are claiming usyk to be wouldn't ever have a even either or winner type fight with any CW in the history of the sport. Briedis (so?) isn't so that, truly.

There's no such talent that could do what some of you are dreaming of. Usyk might be the greatest CW of all time but he'd have to be the greatest fighter of all time to have a real chance vs AJ, DW and few others

 

I thought that with a good night's sleep some sort of reality would fall upon this site but WTF was I thinking. Usyk beats up a statue and now he's an ATG. He's a tremendous boxer, we all can see his skills but FFS calm down about him ripping through the HW division. Gotta laugh at posters taking about HW "fatties". Joshua is all muscle, Wilder has been criticised for being too thin (215!) , Parker and Povetkin are in shape. Sure Fury and Bellew are pigs, no question.

I don't mind a bandwagon being constructed but let's not all get inside till he's beaten a real HW. Start with Bellew....he's beatable.

 

Marciano and Dempsey did not have a fight above 200 lbs. Ali, Louis, Frazier, Jack Johnson, Holyfield all fought at a fight night weight cruiserweights do, prime Foreman, Tyson barely above. That's all but the Klitchkos and Lewis of the best HWs ever and even they got upset by smaller men so what would be your point with these secondary fat slobs mate? I really wanna know.

Weight is a factor yes, but this is sweet science, and skills, chin, stamina, mobility, defense, adaptability, output, angles, timing and speed are other factors. Usyk has a good few on his side vs. these secondary HWs you claim would beat him. I call that nonsense, and history tells us his height and weight is perfectly good for several HW titles let alone beating fat overmuscled secondary contenders.

No disagreement between us. Wilder ain't gonna be the favorite cause Usyk is too small, but because Deontay bangs hard besides being athletic and awkward.

 

All those examples would be great if they weren't so many decades ago. If usyk found 50s 60s 70 he'd most likely mop the floor with everyone. Even 80s and 90s he'd be legit, but once LL came on he was always going to be the champ, then passed to the kits who passed to AJ and DW.

Size isn't everything but it's one huge thing with fighters of similar talent levels. With relatively even talents the bigger man has the edge, in a large way

 

In his current shape, no, but I think a fit Fury is the best HW.

 

Wilder only catches Usyk if Usyk gets sloppy. Otherwise there's no way he gets a meaningful shot in. Usyk would neutralise his ability to get set with constant feints and side to side movement. Wilder would be forced to lunge and throw punches off balance, which would drastically affect his power and leave him open to counter shots that would make him even more reticent to throw shots.

Szpilka laid the blueprint for how Usyk would beat Wilder, only Usyk isn't going to get stupid and run into a right hand and get knocked out.

 

I agree he lacks power and that will be his problem, but the “best” heavyweight of today is a very poor boxer, he’s flatfooted , robotic , slow so I’d give usyk a shot to outwork and outbox AJ to a clear decision. He would def be a clear underdog , but I think he has a chance.

 

This forum erupted when Pacquiao beat Matthysee and a one sided win over Gassiev is league's better than that, at least.

 

He's already beaten several 'real' heavyweights: Gassiev, Briedis, Glowacki and Huck. All those guys on fight night weighed about as much as Wilder did in the Ortiz fight, or only slightly less.

Bellew? Bellew is a fat CW who moved up to HW to fight Haye. The added weight does nothing for him. What does beating him prove, exactly?