Usyk is not fighting anyone except Fury and AJ at HW

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  1. Kratos

    Kratos Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Is there anybody else that he should have to beat to be considered one of the best heavyweights ever? No, the rest all have a loss or aren't high ranked to begin with. If he beats Fury again and retires there is nobody else to test him.
     
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  2. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hes done enough to be considered number 1 of his era sign sealed delivered. He beat 1 and 2 who were signifigantly bigger, he gets that and no one could take that away from him. But when comparing to the HWs from previous eras that doesn't really do anything for him. Only beating 3 guys in title fights matters as do the AJ and Fury fights being close.

    Yeah who else could he have beaten? Well past HW greats didn't stop compiling feats once they were considered the best. Beating one and two is fine but that can't be the whole resume. Beating some top 5 guys easily has its value too.
     
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  3. bailey

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    What difference does the country make that the opponents come from?
    Are you saying it would have been better if say he had have beaten someone like Anderson instead of Dubois?
     
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  4. peter_uk

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    If he beats Fury a second time then he has unequivocally cleaned out the division; surely it is to his credit that he has done this in a direct a manner as possible since moving up from cruiserweight, as opposed to beating a string of middling contenders en route. If he bows out after beating Fury for a second time then the fact he hasn't fought contenders such as Parker etc will have no bearing on his ATG status.
     
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  5. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm thinking more in "addition to" than "instead of". The size of Usyks resume is the issue here not swapping out Dubois for Anderson, Parker or Kabayel or insert their name here. If Hrgovic had beaten Dubois it'd be even worse. Now he can say hes beaten 3 HW champs at least. Fury, AJ and Dubois are a fine top 3 opponents. The issue is thats where Usyks HW resume starts and ends.

    In terms of the British thing hes a world champion and everyone hes fought is from one tiny island except Chazz Witherspoon. But it was just a creative way of saying Usyk hasn't fought almost anyone tbh.

    As others have described a big part of why Fury and AJ are still the top 2 HWs is Usyk, Fury and AJ aren't fighting up and coming contenders. If we look at AJs last 2 wins the big reason he fought Wallin and Francis was because they were ex Fury opponents. These 3 have been fighting their own little closed group for quite awhile now. Not that HW is stacked or anything its not. But we've got a backlog developing here and by Usyk saying hes only doing rematches we've got a problem and its not just Usyks resume. Every few months someone wins a big non title fight like Kabayel or Bakole they get some hype and then its like nothing ever happened.
     
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  6. Serge

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  7. Braindamage

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    Depends. Is OU more interested in legacy or money? He knows that he doesn't have enough time left to stamp ATG status on the HW division, which is a shame, because he is more than talented enough to have done that. So, why continue on that path, stuff your pockets with cash and ride off in the sunset as one of the best to do it.
     
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  8. sdot_thadon

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    I'd like to see him in with Parker just to see how it plays out. And to everyone saying there shouldn't be a Joshua 3, why not? He's one of the best available opponents and viable threats for Usyk and he's on a streak. Imagine if we didn't get any of the trilogy fights in history what we'd have missed out on. I want to see it because the last fight was a much better outing for Joshua and for the 'what could happen"
     
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  10. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What does that make all of us spending our limited time on the internet discussing said sport?

    When you die you can't take your money with you only legacy. Also he'd have been paid just fine to fight new contenders after the Fury rematch. How much money is there in fighting guys over and over when you've already beaten them twice?
     
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  11. FrankinDallas

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    I do not have red hair you sick freak.
     
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    "What we do in this life echoes in eternity". Maximus Decius Meridius. (take from Meditations of Marcus Aurelius.

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  13. Serge

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    Again, Usyk will be 38 y/o next January. He's already carved out his legacy and generally 38 y/o greats are retired by that age, shot to bits, or are well past their prime and have only harmed their legacies by hanging around and Usyk has been past his for years and his attributes have clearly diminished. The fact he was able to become undisputed at HW at 37 y/o when past his prime fighting in his opponent's backyards or on the road, whilst giving away massive physical advantages that no one else in the P4P top 10 is even coming close to giving away is a testament to his greatness.

    He's the greatest fighter of his generation and, as said, he's clocked the game literally winning everything there is to win the hard way and honest way on a deck stacked against him or on the road.

    Many just want to see him get beat so they can discredit him and devalue his legacy.
     
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  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    :lol: You do you just don't have any hair left you bald freak
     
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  15. FrankinDallas

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    It's called prize fighting for a reason. At 37/38 a boxer is obviously in his final years. Unless he's Sam Langford finally getting a title shot, or maybe Marlon Brando in On the Waterfront, he's going to go for generational money for his family. And we should applaud him for that IMO.
     
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