Usyk is not fighting anyone except Fury and AJ at HW

I know generally a trilogy happens when both guys got a win off one another. But there probably haven't been a circumstance like AJ where a loss completely changed who he was as a fighter, in the cash cow position. The Aj that fought Usyk is not the champion that knocked out Wladimir Klitschko, nor the one that reigned and became a star afterwards. We've watched this guy throw the kitchen sink these last few years trying to find himself and it appears he's coming around. It's a good story and the top guys of the division should never be far away from a rematch or marquee event. Aj 3 is better for boxing than vs anyone else other than Fury but I'd take a Parker fight if that were the substitution as well. Lastly Usyk maybe only has a couple to a few fights left. Who else can he make money with for his send off? Which I'd imagine is at the forefront of his thinking going out.

 

Has Usyk not made enough money in the sport? If he wants a final send off what's wrong with retiring after he beats Fury a second time?

The fact Usyk only has a few fights left means it's even more important to fight different opponents to flesh out his resume at heavyweight. Fighting AJ a third time gains him nothing, he's a draw in his own right now.

 

And now you know why I don't engage with Usyk fans

 

After his impressive second win against fury usyk should call it a day and retire. He can't improve his legacy on quality only on quantity.
The only legacy steps which are left would be the winner of Beterbiev-Bivol at cruiser or Parker if he beats the joshua dubois winner. Else there is nothing left

 

Easy answer. Why would he himself mention Joshua as one of the only fights he'd take? Money. And you're kidding yourself if you think he's become some big draw or maybe your standards are lower than mine lol. I still for the life of me can't understand how fans and even some boxers think if I beat blank, because he's the man, I become that. it doesn't work that way unless a guy was already box office himself.

 

You said something imbecilic in how hyperbolic it was. I called you on it.

 

Although not all of Foreman's career was world title fights I am not sure why you feel Usyks pales outside of quantity

Foreman beat Frazier, Norton in title fights and then it was years later before he won another world title fight and I think only won around 5 world title fights and that was over many years
Usyk has won 4 HW title fights and I think has every bit a comparable resume in HW title fights
This is why I am thinking you would like to see more quantity?
That is not meant to sound condescending btw

 

i think the balance has shifted from the first aj fight and he will beat usyk next year if they face off again. fighters evolve with time, sometimes for the better, sometimes for worse. from what ive seen since that first fight, i think thats whats going to happen.

 

A bit of a thought experiment here based on the numbers you are giving re me saying I think you are looking quantity over quality to a degree

This may be hard to follow but...
Take two fighters (Joshua and Wilder) and keep their early fights as they are
Then swap their careers around to the final fight before they won a world title...
So
- Wilder was 31-0 when he fought Malik Scott which is up to where I will want you to switch his career with Joshua
His fight after was against Gavern and then he won his title fight
- Joshua was 14-0 when he fought Cornish which is up to where I will want you to switch his career with Wilder
His fight after was against Whyte and then he won his title fight

I will then say go up to where Joshua beat Povetkin

With that switch Wilder would have been
39-0 with 38kos and wins over Whyte, Parker, Povetkin, Martin, Wladimir.
WBO IBF WBA champ

Joshua would have been 23-0 with 23kos and WBC champ with wins over Stiverne and Ortiz


Do you really feel adding the early career build up numbers is massively enhancing their resumes?

 

Agreed. There are no compelling fights for Usyk to take outside of Fury and if Joshua beats Dubois then there is another huge payday and a chance to become undisputed again

 

To be honest, he's done it all. As others have said, given his age, size and style it is probably time to think about retirement.

 

means it is dead in the richest, most influential country on earth.

 

Father time isn't on Usyks side. If he beats Fury again which I believe he will he then needs to make a decision on whether to go after the IBF again which is potentially an AJ trilogy or go for someone like Parker or Zhang to put a different top name on his resume. If he then wants to go back down to cruiserweight to try for undisputed he's probably going to be 40 before he can get all the belts in the ring at the same time. Imagine if he achieved that though.