Usyk is on the slide

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  1. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I don`t want to write the same stuff, but i think this deserve a thread and see what people think about it.
    Here is my comment from the RBR:

    Usyk is either slowing down big time, or the added weight is affecting him a lot. He is going to push 34 in January and he age is probably a factor, but its obvious he ain`t the same guy. People should not judge when boxers starting to fade, just because both Klitschko was that good at so advance age. Most people starting to decline after 31-32.
    What i saw tonight is pretty average speed on his punches, his explosiveness was pretty much missing, and his reflexes and footwork was just not the same. Yeah he still move a lot, but with delay enough to be getting hit, and he was getting tagged a lot by 36(almost 37) average, small size, small reach(for HW) and pretty much average speed on his punches and i dare to say slow on his feet Chisora.
    This was not Usyk we all know.
    Definitely weight plays a role, but i think age play more role in his decline.
    And i dare to say that Usyk is probably 1 of the very few that you can pretty much call that is clean. Its pretty obvious, his body scream that he is clean, also he doesn`t have that explosiveness that i think comes from the roids, like Joshua have for example.
    If i got to compare them Joshua will definitely be faster and a lot more explosive at HW.
    I think the lack of the one punch KO power is exactly because that this guy is clean, and at very least we should respect him solely for that.

    I like Usyk a lot and i think for his legacy he should skip the fight with Joshua, and probably Fury too. His reflexes are not the same, he is getting slower on his feet and his punches are definitely slower. His energy level/cardio is probably affected too, by the age and weight too, and his punching output and for what he is known for is missing.
    He should get 1-2-3 easy fight and call it a day! F***** the money, you should aim for your legacy.

    What you guys think ?
     
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  2. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Nah, I still think he's 2 years away from decline.
     
  3. sid

    sid Boxing Addict Full Member

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    When fighting & giving 3 stones in weight to another fighter it's a lot to give, when not use to it.
     
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  4. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ring rust could be at play, too. Think he said as much after the fight. Covid and an injury kept him away for a long time.

    But he is aging. And for a guy who relies on athleticism, that's an issue.
     
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  5. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    So you are just throwing some numbers out of nowhere?
    Its pretty much a fact, that people starting declining after 30, now with the modern time and all the stuff we can get our hands on, its 31-33.
    Most top footballers in the past, pretty much starting decline very, very fast after 30. Now they are good till 32-33.
    Ronaldo speed start declining heavily after his 32-33. His energy/cardio/pace as well.

    Again not everyone are like Klitschko brothers.

    NewBoxingOrder, thats definitely a factor, but i just don`t see Usyk usual agility, his reflexes, his speed was nothing really to speak about.
    Nothing like what he was. He was very, very crisp, he was getting just out of the shots and come back with fast and heavy counters.
    Now he was eating a lot more shots, and Chisora is neither super tall, neither got some reach, and Usyk reflexes seems gone, and when he was moving away from Chisora shots, he was way too far to come with a counter, like he was doing before.

    At that level, slipping even a bit make a big difference.
    Lets not forget that Usyk may not have a lot of matches in the Pro rings, but in the amateurs he have 350+ matches. As well as matches in WSB.
    And his style is definitely draining.
     
  6. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Calzaghe held up to 35. And he fought in a high workrate style too.
     
  7. Liquorice

    Liquorice Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    No. He just blew off a bit of ring rust early & then cruised.
     
  8. N17

    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Does Usyk being out the ring for over a year come on to this conversation?
     
  9. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Yeah and its not the only one, but its the minority. Because a lot more start declining hard after 32-33 for example.
    Not everyone is the same, and just because Calzaghe or someone else could keep going till their mid/late 30s that doesn`t mean that Usyk or else can do it too.
    Tyson declined early. Junior Dos Santos declined insanely fast around his 30s, Cain Velasquez too. Fedor Emelianenko declined a lot after his 32-33.
    Injuries help that factor too, and Usyk suffer some in the last few years.
    As far as the ring rust and Usyk being out for a year i already mention this, but i`m clearly stating about his physical attributes, and that they are clearly declining.
    Not his usual foot speed, not his usual hand speed, his reflex was way off and etc.
     
  10. Braindamage

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    I want to see him fight a few more at heavy before I agree with you.
     
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  11. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Yeah but i think he switched way too old. Weight play big role too. I mean its one thing to switch to HW in your 20s and completely different doing it at your 30s.
    Its affecting your physical attributes for sure.
    Don`t get with the wrong impression, i love Usyk, and will support him all the way i just think he made a mistake going to the HW.
    In the last 2 years he have just 2 fights. He could have 4-5, and even 6 fights at CW for that time.
    Gassiev is way younger and switch too, but the guy pretty much lost 2 years. Struggling with injury like Usyk and other stuffs.

    Both of them was masterful and was a joy to watch at CW, but Usyk so far looking damn ordinary at HW.
     
  12. HolDat

    HolDat Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Every fighter is declining after each fight lol
     
  13. Boxed Ears

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    When watching Haye VS Valuev and Chisora, why don't we just finally start giving Haye a lot more credit instead of saying Usyk is blah blah blah. Real respect real. Hayemaker. Boom.
     
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