Usyk is the GOAT cruiser

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by IntentionalButt, Jul 21, 2018.


Is the Cat the GOAT?

Poll closed Oct 19, 2018.

  1. Yes, now after WBSS finals.

    60 vote(s)
    61.9%

  2. Yes and he already was.

    8 vote(s)
    8.2%

  3. No, but if he stayed longer at CW he'd be within a couple of realistic wins.

    15 vote(s)
    15.5%

  4. No, and there's no available competition to make him the #1.

    14 vote(s)
    14.4%
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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I dont know much about Gomez. Though if a guy went from ATG to just a decent fighter because of 4 ****ing pounds it makes you question his opposition at 122.

    It's not like he had been moving up. 126 was his first attempt to a multi division world champ.
     
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  2. 3rdegree

    3rdegree Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Different styles and competition, same results. Both Usyk and Holyfield are the best in their respective time. It's impossible to predict a winner.
     
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  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    This viewpoint is so flawed, in so many ways, and yet sadly is so commonplace among casual fans today.

    1. 4 lbs, in that weight range, MATTERS. A lot. So far beyond your comprehension.
    2. Climbing up in weight, believe it or not, as much as this is going to go in one ear and out the other because you already have your mind set on a misguided definition for the very term, has nothing to do with p4p greatness.
     
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  4. Slowhand

    Slowhand Member Full Member

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    With VADA.. EH has zero chance. Still a great and entertaining fighter tho.
     
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  5. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Holyped was a beast at CW. Usyk clearly more skilled, see Toney's total outclassing of Evan Fields as an example. However, you need powet to keep Holyped off you and I'm still not sure Usyk could keep him at bay. Would be a fantastic fight, but remember the great boxer beats the great puncher. In this case, Evan is against a better boxer, no matter what the bias amongst you believe.
     
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  6. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Usyk is a better boxer than prime Lewis but would have the snot beaten out of him by Lewis. The only reason I think Usyk can win a HW title is because this is a weak era. Holyfield h2h against Usyk is different to being able to fight against big punching HWs. Obviously Evan's diet helped him overcome any physical deficiencies. Usyk has a clear ceiling above which he will get battered by a good HW.
     
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  7. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    • GOAT of 190 is Holyfield
    • GOAT of 200 is Usyk
     
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  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    FAO: Holy Rollers...

    You need to justify your position that Qawi x2 + De Leon (with the next best quality after that being Tillman and Byarm) somehow >>> Gassiev, Briedis, Glowacki, Huck, Mchunu, and Hunter.

    To my eyes that is a tally of 3 great victories for Holyfield against 2 great ones for Usyk plus a near-great and three very good. The drop-off after Holyfield's couple of great scalps? VERY steep.

    How then do you reckon Holyfield did more at the weight?
     
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  9. Yizzy

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    Yes he is now.
     
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  10. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    GOAT cruiser and hot on the heels of his countryman for p4p #1.

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    Talk about Cat and mouse. :deal:
     
    IntentionalButt, Aug 11, 2018
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  11. The Akbar One

    The Akbar One Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    Toney beating a shopworn Holyfield, that wasn't close to being near what he was at cruiser, has no bearing. Juan Carlos Gomez would have been a serious problem for Usyk, as would a young Holyfield.
     
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  12. yeyo monster

    yeyo monster Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Holyfield is the best period!
     
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  13. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This. If anything the Cruiserweight division is one of the weakest divisions in boxing.
     
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  14. Odo

    Odo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would have bet my money on Lebedev
     
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  15. Odo

    Odo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As for Usyk he is the greatest cruiser king ever. No doubt about it
     
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