Usyk looks jacked - Is he going for the KO?

Usyk would be wise to body punch consistently. He is one of the few heavyweights with the skill and mindfulness to do so. Intriguing fight, though.

 

i dont think it will be close. i dont think aj will be in any danger, ever. there will be no doubt among the honest who the better hw is on that night. cant speak for the rest. usyk just aint that guy.

 

He knocked out Dave Allen In sparring LOL. Dave has an Immense chin of Iron.

Usyk has POWER.

 

Assume ? watch Ruiz fight and you will see everything, he was scared the second time and he quit in the first fight.

No, if he beats him two times then maybe.


I understand that guys like you taking this kind of stuff personal. can you not do that this time ?

 

I see it differently.

He was super cautious and professional the second time - ironically, given how much we all hate them, he'd probably fight like that more often if he didn't have rematch clauses... He knew that was his one chance to get those belts back and didn't risk it for a second.

The first he was too casual by far, underestimated Ruiz badly especially after hurting him... His quit I think was probably that he was genuinely disoriented and didn't believe he could recover - rematch clause in place, he didn't need to, but it does speak to a certain potential weakness.

I don't think he'll be underestimating Usyk for a second - not even if he's hurt or knocked him down.


I think it's a mistake to judge a fighter purely on their worst fight, especially if they've beaten a number of far better guys... I think it's a mistake when people judge Lewis purely on Rahman/McCall and it's a mistake to judge AJ purely on Ruiz I.

 

I think you don't understand humans, You can ONLY see humans true self, when they are in trouble.

 

Fighters are like any other person - we're all inconsistent up to a point, we all have good and bad days and we all make mistakes.

A fighter having a bad day and getting clipped and disoriented is not necessarily crap - AJ made mistakes in Ruiz I, he didn't seem as prepared or as respectful as he should've been and he got punished for that...
That doesn't change that he's comfortably the most proven HW right now, doesn't change that he's a serious fighter.

He shouldn't be that absolute worst version of himself on the night - by assuming that, I would contend that it is you who does not understand humans.

 

you, sir, live in reality. even though we disagree on how this fight will play out, we exist on the same plane. progress can be made to a better understanding for both.

 

Mistake ? I have seen him quit and have no desire to fight, that is not a mistake, that is his weak heart. You can fix a mistake, but You cannot teach someone to be brave and have heart. same thing with fear, you can see his movement in the second fight, he was feared that same thing will happen for the second time.

 

Cheers, and it's okay to look at the same reality and disagree in the interpretation... I just think some people's perceptions of certain fights is a dreamland caricature of what they want a particular fighter to be.

It's true I think AJ wins this... I don't think Usyk is at all likely to knock him out and whilst Usyk is capable of beating him on points on my cards, I don't think he's likely to win on judges cards when close rounds almost always go to the champion - it would have to be a thoroughly dominant display for that and I'm not sure even Usyk will be pulling that off (nor am I convinced it's his gameplan to try).

 

Yes, mistakes - underestimating an opponent and getting clipped badly as a result is still a mistake at its base.

As for the second, caution is not fear.
Caution is a sensible, controlled and professional thing - especially when you're in last chance saloon without any more rematches to fall back on, one chance and only one chance, take no risks and stay clean and clinical, exactly what he did.

It's not my fault that you're desperate to see the absolute worst in Joshua (who, again, I don't even like) - you're always going to have flawed judgement if you let your biases run you like this.

 

That's weird, you replied to me, I was not even talking to you in the first place. It's okay to dissagree, but please don't be that guy who making personal attacks just because of some fighters.

I am talking about after that, His reaction and his response. If you don't understand that there is no need to argue anymore.

 

i respect all contrary opinions based on sound logic, i cant argue against sound logic, i can only counter with what i think that sound logic is actually saying.sound logic tells me a person is aware of how the whole process, and everything connected to that process, all work in conjunction. you understand what needs to be true, in order for other things to be true. every learning experience we have in life is based on sound logic, otherwise we call it supernatural.

 

Oddly enough, that's the whole point of forums... You reply to people, discuss, agree or disagree and move on.

It's not a personal attack to point out that you're consistently taking a worst-case view of AJ.

We both were, I'm rather baffled that you can miss that.

How that occurred is important, which has also been touched on, but don't be pretending that I'm skipping over that...

I've said clearly that it leaves a question mark over him - you seem to feel like this is a concrete character trait which will always be the same, I'm afraid humans aren't that consistent, as I've pointed out already.

I've also clearly said that (in my estimation) he realized he was badly clipped to the point that he couldn't win - boxing is a game of hit and don't get hit, AJ after that clip was clearly not right and would've been knocked out and damaged worse if he hadn't quit.
I'll admit that it's not warrior mentality, but when you know you've got a guaranteed rematch waiting for you, you can afford to make that decision - and I think he did.

 

Joshua quit, thats what I saw but thats ok coz its AJ!!