Usyk looks more and more dominant with every rewatch

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  1. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    You can't but the commentary was so biased that some people were conned. I can't believe i used to like Max Kellerman. But ever since GGG-Canelo 1, i have seen how utterly biased and laughable his commentary is.
     
  2. pugilista

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    It's annoying, to be honest. All this debate about who won how many rounds wouldn’t exist, and a true karmic finish would have been the deserved KO win for Usyk. After all the "middleweight rabbit sausage gappy teeth rat-faced ugly *******" stuff, seeing Fury KO'd would have been the slam dunk way to shut any doubters up. Now we hear about Fury thinking he won the fight, Usyk using an inhaler (a laughable idea), Fury winning the majority of the first six rounds, and whatnot. All this simply wouldn’t even be discussed if that referee wasn't a corrupt weasel, holding Usyk's left arm before the final blow. Oh well, it will have to wait until October, it seems.
     
  3. dmt

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    i find it annoying too. I wish the division could move forward. Had Fury not delayed this fight for 14 months, all of this would be over. Fury and Usyk would have rematched by last November/December.

    At least two guys out of AJ, Parker and Hrgovic would have gotten title shots by now. A new guy like Kabayel could have gotten a shot by now.

    I wish Usyk got the TKO. Jesus. Its annoying to see some of these absurd scorecards. I have seen scorecards on this forum that scored round 8 as an even round. Lol.
     
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  4. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The first half of the fight Fury had the edge for me and was up 4-2 after having a good spell between 4-6. After round 7 Usyk took control of the fight and won every round from then on.

    I feel like the 7th round was a huge moment in the fight Fury had the momentum at time and I was slightly concerned for Usyk. But Usyk dug deep and won a competitive 7th round and that turned the fight completely on its head after that.

    I don't agree that it was dominant win it was a competitive fight for me but Usyk still clearly won by atleast 3 or 5 points.
     
  5. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Could that be, cause you are biased fanboy? Could that be, cause you don't know how to score a fight ?

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    9-3 stretch you say? This is LIVE, and Turki has paid them to do AI on this fight. So this was officially done for this fight.

    So they have Usyk winning 10-2.

    Do you even know what the boxing scoring criteria is ?
    Based on what your fanhero won 5 rounds, tell us ?
     
  6. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Exactly. And everyone ignored Usyk straight Left hand to the Fury body, like this punch didn't landed in every single round. This very punch also makes Fury to lower his guard, and helped Usyk to tire Fury out.

    But you see somehow Fury body shots, was screamed by the biased b.c. commentators.

    Everyone should look at the AI, as it's scored based on the Boxing rules. And based on that Usyk won the fight 10-2.

    I told you all, and CST80 Told you that this was dominant WIN for Usyk.
    On a rewatch on perfect quality with Commentators on mute, this is the only scoring anyone can put on that fight, based on Boxing criteria, not being Fury biased or Usyk biased.

    Round 1 - Usyk clearly
    Round 2 - Usyk clearly
    Round 3 - Close Round for both
    Round 4 - Usyk clearly
    Round 5 - Fury clearly
    Round 6 - Fury clearly
    Round 7 - Usyk clearly, and he changed the tied of the fight in that round. How anyone score this round for Fury is still a mystery.
    Round 8 - Usyk dominant round
    Round 9 - Beatdown and the fight should have ended - Usyk clearly
    Round 10 - Usyk clearly
    Round 11 - Usyk clearly, and he finish the round strongly with a straight left to the Fury head
    Round 12 - Usyk once again, landing the better shots, being the effective aggressor and landing the eye catching shot


    So Fury Won his Rounds clearly, but Usyk has won his rounds clearly as well.
    Round 3 is the only round you can make a case for Fury. But if you wanna give it to someone, that should be Usyk, as he was the one imposing his game plan, he was the effective aggressor + he was obviously landing the cleanest punches. Also Usyk was pressuring Fury the whole fight.

    One more thing that needs to be mentioned, when we are talking about aggression. In order to get points for that, your aggression, needs to be effective. And Usyk was 100% effective, as he was landing jabs and straight left to Fury body, and almost in every rounds he was landing Left to Fury big fat head.

    Thank you for this post and this thread, as we need to give more eye to the truth, and to expose the corrupt judges and referee in Boxing.
     
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  7. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Because you were watching with a commentators ON, turn it off, and you will see what everyone is seeing a Dominant 9-3, 10-2 win for Usyk.
    This wasn't even 8-4. Also the fight should have been stopped in the 9th.

    If you wanna argue about that, the AI scoring, which was official for this fight, as Turki pays for it, it's on my previous post. Go watch it and tell me how exactly and on what f***** criteria this wasn't a dominant win for Usyk.
    You also completely ignore the KO that should have been given to Usyk.
     
  8. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    Video of the fight:

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  9. Dynamicpuncher

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    Mate relax I can have my opinion just like you can have yours I'm not watching a fight without sound or basing it on an AI on YouTube.

    You're getting a bit too emotionally involved in this just take a deep breath and chill, Usyk clearly won the fight but Fury was very competitive in the 1st half of the fight and had the slight edge for me. But Usyk took control in the 2nd half and was clearly in control from then on.
     
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  10. Serge

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    Yes it's all nonsense and the David slaying Goliath KO would've been such a fitting and deserving conclusion and Usyk came as close as it can possibly get to securing it. He had AJ in desperate trouble in the dying seconds of round 12 of the first fight too. Had he put his foot on the gas a little earlier he would've got him out of there
     
  11. ShanannaGator11

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    I think alot of it came from the shots that Fury landed on Usyk visibly moved him. I think fury got alot of credit for landing good single shots here and there that did have an impact on Usyk. Just to few of them to truly make a difference. I watched the fight with my dad and he gave Fury 5 of the first 6 rounds. My card was 7-5 Usyk +1 for the KD. If i Rember correctly my dad also gave Fury the 11th and 12th and had the fight a draw. We was sitting 3ft away from each other and apparently watching 2 different fights lol.
     
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  12. Dynamicpuncher

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    @lordlosh I wasn't having a pop at you BTW I know you're very passionate which is fine. I don't disagree with you that Usyk won very clearly I just think 1st half of the fight was very competitive the 2nd half not so much.

    You already know I scored it 116-111 for Usyk.
     
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  13. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Who is ready to suffer for Christ (the truth)? Full Member

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    Usyk looks more and more dominant with every match
     
  14. BubblesUK

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    When you look at the AI stats:

    https://x.com/jabbr_ai/status/1791989866546311328

    Fury was throwing an awful lot in rounds 1-7, and in 5/7 of those rounds he was still being outlanded (and outlanded in 4/7 at higher impact, with 1 evens) - it's quite possible that a lot of people saw that as doing the better work, when arguably it's flattering to deceive by working harder for less actual scorable output (ie: inefficient).
    And in all honesty, I was taken in by it to some extent too.

    Fury only outlanded Usyk at all in 2 rounds (5 & 6) - high impact only exceeded Usyk in the same two rounds, with the 4th equal and Usyk exceeding him in the rest.
    Aggression Fury takes 3 (5, 6, 7) with 12th about equal.

    Now okay, that's not pure scoring... But...

    By that metric, Fury only clearly won two rounds - one other he only takes 1 of the three metrics (ie. aggression he takes 7) and two more are equal on one metric but Usyk exceeds him on the other two.

    So.

    On that, Fury's best case is if you value aggression the most - and that gets him a 9-3 loss.

    To be clear:
    I'm not saying it's necessarily quite that simple, it never is - but to say that 7-5 is the most defensible midpoint might be a bit of a stretch...
    In the cold light of day, 6-6 is much harder to defend than 9-3, IMHO... I prefer 8-4, but 7-5 isn't horrible and 9-3 can be argued without being ridiculous.
     
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  15. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    You also forget to mention the pressure, which was all on Fury, Usyk dominates on that aspect. Also Usyk imposed his gameplan over Fury from round 1, which was clear.

    This is the live with DeepStrike, which is their AI method of scoring the fight, based on how a fight is scored by Boxing rules, they had it 10-2 for Usyk. And if you actually look at the stats, and the fight itself, and who command the fight, pace, effective aggressor, clean punches landing, this is 100% accurate take of the fight.7-5 or 6-6 is completely impossible and you should be heavily biased to Fury, to score it like that.
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    It's so good that Turki paid the guys with this technology to score the fight live. You can easily shut biased banboys, and they can't argue with their nonsenses, because you are backed by the numbers and the facts.
     
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