Usyk looks more and more dominant with every rewatch

This and Canelo winning the Bivol fight, and both were from the same person, the legendary Shadow.
But you see he ain't Canelo and Fury fanboy. And he actually likes Bivol and Usyk. He is just fair.

 

AI scoring gives us the best punch stats. Usyk both outthrew and outlanded Fury in the majority of rounds and in total. Thats huge because with that you have to now say Fury was the ring general or his punches were more quality than Usyk's. I don't think you can say that. Outside of an emotional value, Hatman is right, Fury qualitatively did very little.

 

You had Fury winning rounds for sticking his tongue out. God help you if you're not a big Fury fan, because then the question is what that came from.

 

He cannot say even that, because AI have a scoring criteria for that as well.
They have for landed punches, impactful one, aggression, pressure, and also their DeepStrike scoring the fight.
And Usyk won the fight WIDE, aka 9-3, 10-2 on every single component there is. And all of this is made not based on someone mental gymnastics, like Shadows one, but on actual Boxing scoring criteria.

But you can't expect something different from a guy who claimed Canelo won against Bivol.

 

Pro tip, Loshy ain't no Usyk fanboy, he is using him as an AJ proxy to further is bizarre Johsua love

 

That makes his argument even more humorous.

 

I recognize ring generalship and effective punching when I see it. Most posters on here don't even consider ring generalship in their scoring. When I bring up ring generalship, it's like I'm speaking another language, despite it being 1 of the 4 scoring criteria.

 

you delude yourself constantly. theres nothing you cant convince yourself of, when its what you want to believe.

 

Scoring requires a human eye, AI cannot accurately make decisions on who wins rounds. AI can correctly identify who is the aggressor, which Usyk quite obviously was the entire night, but how effective that aggression was depends on how consistently he was able to land clean effective punches. In the second half of the fight, Usyk clearly did that which is why he won rounds. In the first half, he wasn't able to land as much, Fury was able to negate most of his punches, and come back with the flashier more eye catching shots. but it wasn't just quality over quantity. Fury was the one throwing more punches and outworking Usyk. Usyk did block a good amount of those shots, but many of the same people arguging Usyk dominated are the same people who in the past have scored in favor of volume punchers.

My view is that rounds 1-3 were close, rounds 4-6 were clear Fury rounds, Round 7 Fury was winning until the last 30 seconds, then Usyk took over and changed the momentum of the match. We can debate rounds 1-3 till the cows come home, but to those that are trying to act like Round 1-3 were clear Usyk rounds or easy to score, they're wrong. You can certainly make the argument Usyk won them, but Fury did very well in each of those rounds.

Like most highly competitive contests, you have several close rounds that could go either way, and you have a good amount of clear rounds for each fighter. But when fans of a certain fighter start acting like toss up rounds were clearly won by their fighter, then we have a problem.

 

How did you score rounds 1-3?

 

You're the one who scored this match 10-2 Usyk. No one agrees with that, no one else has scored it that wide. You're on an island here.

 

Yeah but AI scoring is really really good at counting punches. We know that Usyk both outthrew and outlanded Fury by a lot. What else is there to give Fury? Well, its either ring generalship or punch quality. Outside of rounds 4,5,6 Fury just doesn't make a strong case for either. What I think happened is people looked at rounds 4,5,6 and scored those rounds like they're worth more than just 3 rounds. Like they were 10-8 or 10-7 rounds. They basically are basing who they think won on just those 3 rounds.

 

i had it 2-1 usyk. but by the 3rd rd it became clear to me that usyk wasnt going out there to win the rd, he was trying to keep fury under duress to diminish him. he was just pushing hard enough, and covering up enough, to keep fury moving and taking shots at him. shots that he blocked on his arms. this became even more clear to me when usyk kept encouraging fury to punch at him. he would wiggle his gloves and tell him "come on then". in the middle rds he let fury tee off too much and fury got a couple of very nice shots in, giving him a couple rds. once usyk decided to bring it up to fight speed, fury was just a bit too slow and a bit to worn, to keep up.