Usyk or Byrd: who is the greater heavyweight?

It would look better if Dubois didn't quit when it wasn't going his way. Marciano and Holyfield had many gut tests.

 

For me Byrd had a bigger ticker than Vitali,but the injury cannot be discounted.

 

Usyk for now, and I don't see what could happen in the future, so that "for now" ceases to be valid.

 

I didnt use either of these descriptions.
I agree ,neither Tua or AJ are great fighters.

 

Usyk by at least 5 positions.

Better question is Byrd -Vitali. Who is greater , because Vitali entered the HOF and Bird did not

 

I see similarities to Beterbiev vs Bivol, Vitali being Arthur and Byrd being Bivol. But for some reason in peoples eyes Vitali dominated, but Bivol was robbed.

 

{Of course Tua is lower than Joshua legacy wise. He's beaten all of one ranked contender. Wilder who you blast for being unproven, has triple the wins that Tua does over top ten competition. Joshua even more.

Even if Tua was number 7 in his era as you claim. Joshua was Numero uno following his win over Wlad until Fury returned. Oh wait, you actually said Fury was never the best in the world, so let's say Joshua was the best in the world, MAYBE number 2 behind Wilder until that loss to Ruiz.

Joshua was unequivocally better than the likes of Tua who gets more wins on here, than he ever did in real life.[/QUOTE]

Losses count as well and Joshua's losses are worse than Tua's by such an massive degree that it serves to level the playing field despite his resume edge. I'd probably rate Joshua slighly ahead but not by much.

Joshua was only numero uno if we assume he beats all the other active heavyweights who he didn't fight and will never fight.

 

To me Byrd gets credit. Vitali injured himself swinging at Byrd, so...

 

I don't think people realize how bad the resumes of todays heavyweights are relative to prior eras. They assume that since its good by todays standards its good by historical standards which is nonsense

Fury only has beaten 4 guys ranked in the top 10 provided we count Chisora (Chisora, Klitschko, Wilder, Whyte)
Deontay Wilder has 2 (Stiverne, Ortiz)
Whyte has 2/3 depending on whether we count Chisora (Rivas, Parker, Chisora)
Parker has 3 (Ruiz, Wilder, Zhang)

Even Fury is a lot closer to Tua in terms of contenders beaten than he is to someone like Holmes or Wlad.

 

Hrgovic's claim to fame is getting a highly controversial decision against Zhang that most felt he lost and he hasn’t done anything else of note since.

Yes he could comeback but I highly doubt it he hasn't impressed in any of fights.

Well Tua was the only fighter to KO Ruiz until Haye did it in his very last fight so i would say that is a significant KO win. Tua also beat fighters that went on to become champions or were former champions so again that's also significant.

I think that's better than beating the unimpressive Hrgovic, 333 pound PED cheat Miller.

The Joshua win is the best win between the two fighters on paper. But as I said Joshua is also 35 years old and hasn't really had a significant win in years, the Wallin win was decent but again realistically he's not a top 10 Heavyweight.

 

I had Hergovic beating Zhang.

Zhang was bossing it in the early rounds, but he gassed, and let Hergovic back into the fight.

He beat these future belt holders before they became contenders, and before he was a contender himself.

It should have heralded a bright future for him, but for whatever reason, it didn't happen.

By the time Duboius defeated Hergovic, he was well and truly a contender, and he woudl have been a belt holder had he won the fight.

Joshua's win over Wallin was pretty solid.

Obviously we were both asking what would happen when he fought a Dubois of Hergovic.

 

Yes but Zhang at the time was an almost 40 year old with no relevant wins as a professional, you're saying Tua's wins against future champions don't mean as much because of the context when Tua fought them. But here you are giving Hrgovic credit based on hindsight of Zhang's future performances which is the samething isn't it ? except you're only applying that logic here and not for Tua.

Zhang was not a contender when Hrgovic fought him he was an almost 40 year old who had done nothing as a professional at that point and was only known for his Amateur background.

Because simply Hrgovic is not that good the only stand out attribute he has is his chin which is why Zhang wore himself out against a durable opponent. Zhang is a 40 year old with no gas tank he threw a grand total of only 273 punches against Parker and landed 0 punches in round 12. Zhang also threw less than 30 punches in 11 out of the 12 rounds against Parker.

Zhang is dangerous in the early rounds but he has no punch output and has poor stamina.

A vacated belt Hrgovic hasn't done anything since his controversial win over Zhang, and Dubois had only beaten 333 pound PED cheat Miller neither were deserving of a title at that time.

It was a solid win but Wallin's claim to fame is losing a fight to Fury, and Fury is so up and down regarding his performances that he could struggle with anyone on any given night as the Ngannou fight showed.

Wallin in reality has no real notable wins and Joshua's victory over him only looks relevant because of Wallin's decent effort against Fury in a losing effort.

 

Usyk destroys Byrd anywhere anytime.