Usyk says 2-3 more fights before he retires

Yeah, I've got no argument with Usyk at cruiserweight; that's why he's an undeniable ATG. Usyk is greater than Norton P4P as well, I agree with you. My argument is that Usyk at heavyweight is not as good as Norton at heavyweight, Usyk's HW run is extremely overrated and his cruiserweight one is actually underrated. Norton beating Ali and losing a razor-thin, and unfair decision against an undefeated Holmes are much better performances than close decisions over Chisora, Joshua, and Fury, IMO.

Hearn and Warren became the biggest promoters in the world over the last decade and a half, and they managed to convince people that their overrated Brits were some of the greatest of all time. It all started with Fury beating a nearly 40-year-old Wlad in one of the worst HW title fights of all time, and people began drinking the kool-aid. Then, despite Fury nearly losing to Ngannou and Dubois looking completely out of his depth against Usyk in both fights, Usyk is being sold as the HW GOAT by some. I just don't see it.

 

Good post

 

100%.

And don't forget Joshua, the most overrated of the overrrated Brits. The most manufactured 'unified heavyweight title' reign in history. Thrashed and stopped by the blob Ruiz, before (and not that long before) Usyk beat him.

Good wins for Usyk in this era, great wins for Usyk at the time, proved a lot of people wrong .................. but if people want to put this Usyk heavyweight resume up for comparison in ALL-TIME RANKINGS stakes, it's actually disappointing that he failed in 24 rounds to even score a knock-down against Joshua.

 

Not true, he should be held to the standards of a champion.

 

Imagine what would have happened if archie moore would have won against louis and marciano. Yes Louis was way more accomplished than joshua and fury, but still. People back then would have rated him as the greatest. To me usyk is more convincing than holyfield (and don't forget his supplements). And usyk looks good in historical head to head comparisons to me. Plus he cleaned out heavyweight and cruiser with lots of quality opposition like you rarely see (compare with canelos opposition to get undisputed or crawfords).

So he deserves all time praise. Even more in the pound for pound sense obviously and i think that is taken into account here subconsciously.

 

I also don't get that. Why would fans demand for a fighter to be allowed to take weak opposition instead of taking on the challengers without repercussions?

Usyk can do what he wants, but should oose the belts and some of the appreciation for his story if he goes further down that road.

As it is the appreciation should be the highest for any current fighter. But another wilder choice and that's gone.

 

I think those kind of people get wrapped up in being a fan boy of a certain fighter more than being objective and wanting the sport to be the sport. If Usyk is going to carry with the belts he needs to fight Wardley, Kabayel or any other ranked viable contenders. I have no issue with him fighting Wilder if he drops the belts.

 

Should have already fought Kabayal. This one fight a year malarkay isn't cutting it. All attention should go to the lower weights until two fights a year becomes law.

 

Hypocrisy

How many easy fights did Ali have?

 

When you break down Norton's big wins, it's 70s Ali, who as still great but past his prime, Jimmy Young, aging Quarry, Cobb, Zannon, Bobick, Stander...1-1 with with Jose Garcia...

I don't, know, man. I like Ken and have myself made the point that either of the Ali losses or the Holmes fight could have gone either way. I guess you could say that Norton could be 4-1 against great fighters. But as things stand, he's 1-4. And even if he won those fights, what does it really add? Because Holmes was nothign special when they met, Ali was in advanced decay for the third fight...

To be fair, I feel you that Norton is better than remembered. But better than Usyk...

And let's not forget that Usyk is just fighting a bigger class of quality heavy these days.

I want to be fair to the argument, but I just don't know about that.

 

My guess would be...
Wilder
Wardley or Kabayel (more likely wardley)
Fury 3

 

Have you seen me defending Ali? If you haven’t which you can’t have, then where’s the hypocrisy?

 

Nearly all champs have had a soft touch or two

Floyd had tons of em

The hypocrisy is astounding

 

They also fought more than once a year.

 

There's no hypocrisy because that isn't acceptable either the F? Where am I defending that?