Usyk Should Be Criticized For Fighting Wilder

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  1. SouthpawsRule

    SouthpawsRule Active Member Full Member

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    As I said, you can’t even type out the sentence, peace out.
     
  2. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Type out what you want me to say because you're all in your feelings about a false equivalence which I have explained in great detail to you why it's different and why I personally afford Usyk grace but you're as silent as church mice about the double standard of Usyk being held to a standard no other fighter in history is held to?

    Why aren't you all bent out of shape and frothing at the mouth about all the other fighters in history who refused to fight in their opponent's backyards, never would've dared do the things near as much as what Usyk has forged a career doing religiously at the drop of a hat, fighters who brought 5 weapons into the ring as opposed to 2 and fouled the crap out of their opponents, who didn't use pure skills to outbox their opponents and avoid getting hit but rather held like crazy, who did stack the deck and try to weaken or cripple their opponents at the negotiating table and try to gain an unfair advantage, who did duck other threats and rivals during their prime and didn't fight the best and tough challenges B2B or didn't do so on a deck stacked against them, and who fought many zero threat soft touches during their prime?

    Usyk's lone ''soft touch'' has the highest KO% of any HW champ in history and maybe of any champ in history or I should imagine any long reigning one and if not only by a hair

    I asked you earlier to name other fighters in The history of the sport who haven't done all the good things Usyk has and have done many or all of the bad things he hasn't done but you didn't name one. That my friend is why Usyk has earned his grace and no one can begrudge him this one fight at 39 y/o after vacating the belt and having spent almost a decade taking on the toughest challenges out there on a deck stacked against him and pretty much exclusively tough touches B2B whist simultaneously conducting himself in a manner in and out of the ring which has been faultless throughout. Usyk is very rare breed and has thoroughly earned his respect and grace.
     
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  3. SouthpawsRule

    SouthpawsRule Active Member Full Member

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    I still don’t see the sentence buddy.
     
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  4. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    And you're not going to because it's not same

    Still waiting for you to name all those fighters and get all bent out of shape about the countless, like virtually every fighter in history, who didn't do all the good things Usyk has done or not as much or near as much or who did do all the bad things he hasn't done or did some of them of which he's done none
     
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  5. SouthpawsRule

    SouthpawsRule Active Member Full Member

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    Do you expect me to get on a thread about Usyk and talk about somebody else?

    Like do you genuinely want me to come on this thread specifically and talk about Ali’s soft touches post-Manila?

    I talk about Usyk because this whole thing is about him.
     
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  6. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Makhmudov has a Wilderesque kayo percentage, so does Wardley. Wilder's kayo percentage isn't anything special by the standards of this era.

    And Ortiz is his only stoppage over a general consensus top 10 guy
     
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  7. Glassbrain

    Glassbrain Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's a waste of a fight at a late stage for Usyk. Beating younger guys (which he obviously can) like Wardley do so much more for his legay, than fighting an overhyped belt holder who's only relevence was getting a gift draw against comeback Fury.
     
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  8. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Wilder's kayo percentage isn't anything special by the standards of this era."

    Wilder has the highest KO percentage of any HW champion or contender in history not counting Frank Herald who fought in the 1880s and has 5 wins.

    Dubois and Wardley are currently 2nd and 3rd but lots of guys have 90s when they first hit the world level. Including many who aren't even remembered as punchers. Dubois has won 22 fights. Wardleys won 20. Wilders won 44.

    Makhmudov didn't knock out David Allen or Takam who are his best 2 wins. Makhmudov is a high regional level fighter but if he goes higher that numbers coming down.
     
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  9. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    You can't even name one

    Which kind of proves my whole point

    No, I expect you to use your brain and understand that the two things you are comparing are not the same for the reasons I have explained multiple times to you in great detail

    For the umpteenth time, Usyk hasn't fought any soft touches sans a very late notice sub for his official HW debut

    He has forged an entire career fighting the best and taking on tough touches, prime fighters not old men, pretty much B2B on a deck stacked against him in their backyards and on the road whilst giving away huge physical advantages at HW that no other fighter in the P4P top 10 is or will ever come close to doing, whilst also winning his fights via the application of pure skill, clean boxing and zero use of dirty tactics, with zero deck stacking or trying to gain any advantage fair or unfair at the negotiating table, and he hasn't ducked anyone, any styles, punchers, aged anyone out or to weaken or cripple his opponents. He's fought them at full strength very often on a deck stacked or heavily stacked against him as the B-side and the reason you are struggling so hard to come up with even one name of any other champ, even fellow legends and ATGs, all of this applies to is because it's incredibly rare and I mean incredibly rare for anyone even in their primes not in their late 30s at the end stage of their career when they've achieved everything there is to achieve and they could of.

    And in addition to that he has conducted himself like a borderline saint outside of the ring too

    All of which is why no one should begrudge him this big money one fight against a "soft touch" who is someone he has always wanted to fight and who is one of the hardest punchers ever and unlike so many of the zero threat soft touches his fellow greats fought in their primes who didn't even have a puncher's chance actually poses a threat because they punch extremely hard and have a deadly right hand which they only need to land once
     
  10. SouthpawsRule

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    I literally mentioned how Ali and Holmes rightfully get tons of criticism for it.

    Lmao so NOW Wilder is a risky enough fight for justification?

    Alright bro, keep blindingly defending Usyk, hope he fights Wladimir next, it’d be interesting to see your reaction to it. Its two EEs fighting after all, you might faint from excitement.
     
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  11. Serge

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    Yes, The Dosser is a very risky fight COMPARED to the zero threat scrubs so many of the other greats fought in their primes and numerous who were so overmatched the didn't even have a puncher's chance

    In your own words ''anything can happen in boxing'' so why exactly wouldn't someone who has KO'd 43 of their 44 wins and is arguably still the hardest puncher in the sport with lethal one punch power pose a threat to a 39 y/o HW who relies on speed, reflexes, reaction times and their legs all of which diminish with age? Dubois is slower than The Dosser with a much shorter reach than him but he was able to catch Usyk with big right hands. And remember seeing as you keep forgetting or are too stupid to grasp we are comparing Usyk's lone ''soft touch'' at 39 y/o to the zero threat soft touches the other greats fought in their PRIMES so yes he absolutely is risky enough opponent. Anyone who can punch like that is a risky opponent, genius.

    He might be past his best but so is Usyk. Usyk might have more left than him but it's not like he was ever going to outbox Usyk even if he was at his absolute best. His chance of winning would always be landing a huge right hand bomb against the run of play and knocking Usyk out and it still would be now, Mr ''Anything can happen in boxing''

    And that would be Fabio's only chance of winning too

    Personally, as I have already said, I would rather Usyk fought someone else because I don't like The Dosser, he doesn't deserve a shot at the King, and aside from the huge payday I think it's far too much of a high risk low reward fight for Usyk because of The Dosser's lethal right hand but I certainly don't begrudge Usyk taking on a ''soft touch'' for a massive payday vs someone whose name he has always wanted on his CV given everything I have explained to you in great detail and how that virtually every other champ in the history of the sport fought soft touches or numerous ones in their primes.

    And you are not going to force me to admit to two things being the same when they're not and you're too stupid to grasp that despite me thoroughly explaining exactly why they're not :facepalm:

    And even if they were why are you so bothered about me not doing so? I barely know who you are. I've only had one or two interactions with you prior to this IIRC

    Now stop wasting me time
     
  12. Cojimar 1946

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    Wilder's only world level kayo is Ortiz, his competition hasn't been better than guys with far fewer fights.


    When people look back on this era I don't think Wilder will be viewed as an outlier but rather just one of a number of massive hitters. Someone like Zhang is more likely to be regarded as the hardest puncher of the era, even Dubois might have a better case.
     
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  13. Cojimar 1946

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    As far as soft touches go, Canelo spent a career facing the best and when past his prime started taking easier fights after facing the best for over a decade. Yet fans, including Usyk fans, take issue with him having a few easy fights in the twilight of his career.
     
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  14. BubblesUK

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    He'll also, probably, go down with an asterisk next to his power and rightly so...

    Not because he didn't hit very hard, because he clearly did, but because the level of his opponents was generally not good, so he had more time and space to wind up big (and less punishment for missing) than if he'd fought the best.

    Zhang, as your other example, could generate huge power in much smaller openings and seemingly from nowhere, and he knocked out a guy with a known excellent chin twice - something Wilder didn't manage even once.
    (Debatably Zhang takes Dubois off the table - DDD landed big and flush numerous times on Joyce and didn't make a dent, while Zhang wiped him out completely).

    Heck - Joshua's KO of Ngannou is arguably as big a punch (if not more) as anything Wilder ever threw, especially considering Ngannou was known in MMA for being extremely durable.


    Like you say, he's likely to go down as one of a cluster of big punchers - maybe the biggest, maybe not, and either way hard to tell...
     
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  15. fencik45

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    Beating Wardley would do little for his legacy, since Wardley is an overhyped bum himself.