Usyk Should Be Criticized For Fighting Wilder

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Joeywill, Dec 2, 2025 at 1:14 PM.


  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    As said, I don't like the fight and I especially don't like the fact, assuming it actually happens that is, that Usyk is throwing The Dosser a lifeline and giving him an opportunity which he categorically doesn't deserve. But by the same token Usyk is about to turn 39 y/o is the oldest undisputed HW champion ever (and obviously I don't mean he's still undisputed I'm talking about in a historical sense), the 2nd oldest unified HW champ ever, and the 5th oldest HW champion ever, and will jump up to the 4th oldest one a week past his 39th birthday next month, and has achieved everything there is to achieve and has been fighting the top guys and tough comp pretty much exclusively B2B sans 1 or 2 instances ever since moving up to the world level almost a decade ago.

    And bearing all that in mind, his exemplary conduct in and out of the ring, and his extremely commendable and rare approach to taking on the best on a deck stacked against time and time ago, and how few soft or softer touches had, and the fact he vacated his belt for what was his impending mandatory, I couldn't given about him having a money fight and a soft touch for the first time in his career as a champ and only his 2nd one in a decade since moving up to the world level.

    His age, stage of his career, and everything he has accomplished, and his track record, in complete contrast to the vast majority of fellow legends, greats, and world champions, his track record for not taking soft touches is paramount here.

    Almost all these other greats and champs they're comparing him to who were more or much more active than him when taking on soft touches were generally much younger and in their primes not 39 y./o in the twilight of their careers after having completed boxing numerous times over on a deck stacked against them

    His 2nd weakest opponent in all that time is a 40lb heavier Chisora for goodness sake who is still a handful even 5 years later at about to turn 42 y/o at the end of the month.

    Louis, Holmes, Wlad, Vitali, Ali, Belly to name a few of countless champs and greats fought many soft touches when they were young and in their primes in addition to doing so when they they were past prime but, as I have said many times, the rules change when it comes to Usyk and the haters and those who have been spoilt by his exemplary conduct in and out of the ring in a career of taking on the best and tough opponents pretty much B2B are suffering from temporary amnesia about that and other fighters, including the greatest ones ever who they claim he could never beat, are, again, holding him to a standard they don't hold any other fighter in history to.

    And his actualy only soft touch in his entire career since moving up to the world level Witherspoon was a extremely late notice sub who stepped in the week of the fight after Usyk's original opponent popped dirty and that was Usyk's official HW debut in an era when HWs are bigger than ever before

    It's a pit stop against a fighter he has always wanted to fight and who is love him or hate him - and we all know which side of the fence I stand on in that regard (I will **** on him and discredit him every chance I get) is the third best HW and biggest name of Usyk's generation.

    If Usyk is planning on facing The Dosser level opponents from here on until retirement without vacating the belts it would be a different story but as far as we know it's just one fight, assuming it even happens that is
     
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  2. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Jesus wept! Dubois I was not a soft touch. He might the only fighter Usyk has fought during his HW reign who wasn't a reigning champ or ranked 1, 2 or 3 in the division at the time when he first fought him but he was his mandatory challenger and he was a devastatingly powerful KO artist with a 19-1 record whose sole loss was to an undefeated Big Joe Joyce on a serious eye injury in an extremely competitive fight where he was ahead on 2 of the judge's cards.
    I don't care who he'd beaten heading into that fight he was much bigger than Usyk and extremely dangerous, so much so that many of those now trying to discredit him were the exact same people claiming Dubois was robbed of a KO win in that fight :facepalm:

    Dubois of the first fight is practically SRR in comparison to many of the soft touches so many other legends, greats and world champions fought

    The iron-jawed Big Joe Joyce who has no issue willingly wading in face first all night to the bombs of everyone else he's fought morphed into a 260lb Virgil Hill vs Dubois ie. a jab merchant slickster and was extremely wary of getting hit by Dubois' power. When have we ever seen him do that? The reason why he did so is because he'd sparred him, numerous times IIRC, and felt that devastating power first hand
     
  3. CutThroatFade

    CutThroatFade Rangers FC Full Member

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    I’m not defending Fury btw. Both are disgraceful cherry picks but Usyk picking Wilder is far worse.
     
  4. reckless

    reckless Active Member Full Member

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    This would've been interesting 5 years ago but Wilder is shot to pieces.

    I'd rather see a trilogy with Fury or AJ.
     
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  5. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm gonna be a bit of an hypocrite and give him a pass for this. He's one of the two active true all time greats who's at the end of his career, has done everything that's right for boxing (except for being active, but that's been the case for most fighters since the pandemic) and Wilder is a nice looking name for his resume.

    Though I really wish he'd given the cokehead Parker his chance before.
     
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  6. GGGfans

    GGGfans Active Member Full Member

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    Since 2016, Usyk has always given us the best possible fights. It's hard to criticize him for wanting to end his career with one or two moneyfights.
     
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  7. Svoboda

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    I am a big fan of Usyk but he should indeed be criticized. Wilder is just a name a this point the guy is long gone. Has anyone seen his legs in his last fight? Glued to the ground... Usy will have time to dance 3x times around him before Wilder is able to make a single pivot...
     
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  8. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Well, to be fair Fury came off the brutal trilogy with Wilder and Usyk had his fights with AJ, Fury and Dubios. I can't knock either guy for taking a light touch.
     
  9. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder is shot
     
  10. zulander

    zulander Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He should be and will be i'm assuming it's a make time fight for a bigger fight next although i'm struggling to think of a heavy that generates mega bucks..

    Does it give Wardley and Kaybayel time to have another fight and build their own profile so he can swoop in for $$$.. Against one or both of them.

    I don't understand fighting Wilder unless he strings a couple of wins together so it must be part of a bigger plan.

    Unless its an easy fight to end a career on.
     
  11. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    It's not really that I hate him (although the wanting a body line was beneath contempt), it's just that it annoys me how so many people fell for the hype narratives and still can't see it to this day... Now they say Fury ruined him and nothing afterwards counted, as if he obviously changed overnight and was losing to a calibre of opponents he'd beaten in the past, rather than guys a level or two above anyone he'd beaten.
     
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  12. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Third biggest name I'll grant you... Third best? Nah. He just isn't.
     
  13. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Usyk has gotten away with fighting once a year for most of his career which was unheard of in prior eras so it's hard to see how he's been hard done in not fighting more undeserving challengers. In the past guys that did that had tough fights frequently as well.
     
  14. PistonHondai

    PistonHondai Active Member Full Member

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    Rather see Usyk vs Wilder than Wardley
     
  15. Salty Dog

    Salty Dog globalize the Buc-ees revolution Full Member

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    You know what? Reading this thread has changed my mind. He doesn't fight enough to need a gimme. Boo Usyk!!