Usyk should not be called 2 time undisputed heavyweight champion

Wizbit1013 · Oct 24, 2025 at 6:54 AM

bjl12 said: ↑

This is one of the reasons I fully SUPPORT Turki, Dana, and Zuffa boxing. The greed of the WBC, IBF, WBO, WBA...and those orgs are trying recognize yet ANOTHER belt organization. They want to keep collecting 3% for title fights, make more weight classes, and give out belts for "regular champs", "interim champs", "champs in recess", "franchise champs", etc. Apparently boxing is tee-ball and everyone gets a trophy for showing up.

So, yes, I hope Turki and Dana White clear out ALL of these belt orgs and ALL of these promoters. The current state of affairs is disgusting.

Usyk and Bud being stripped were nails in the coffin for me.
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So Dana White isn't Greedy?
Have you seen the revenue split in UFC?

Wizbit1013 · Oct 24, 2025 at 6:56 AM

Kiwi Casual said: ↑

It just becomes a defense at that point because he never really lost the belt, which is why i view two time as a technicality. But that's just me.
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I mean sure it's up to you but using that logic there must be alot of boxing title reigns you don't recognise? With Dubois being the most recent

LoveThis · Oct 24, 2025 at 7:00 AM

MaccaveliMacc said: ↑

Nobody said that shyte when Ali was being called 3x undisputed champion, despite the fact that he never lost his WBA title in the ring.
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It is not an attack on usyk but a criticism of the way we talk about and evaluate boxers.

I am generally not fond of these buzzwords and it even makes less sense when you literally didn't do anything else than beat a challenger to be called multiple time undisputed just because somehow one belt wandered off for a second. If they would just do that all the time and someone keeps winning, we'll have a 10 time undisputed. By then more people will call out the ridiculousness of it.

The only value this 'multiple Times champion' business has as an evaluation is, that you get the impression that the fighter somehow made his way back to the top. I would definitely see that in ali after the frazier loss, fighting multiple good opponents to get back into position.
It's not nothing that Joshua got back up to win however against whatever version of ruiz.
But it's plain stupid to call a dominant champion without real challenges just raking in his belts after they were just given to the next best guy a multiple times champion.

Then the buzzword loses all of its meaning.

LoveThis · Oct 24, 2025 at 7:06 AM

Wizbit1013 said: ↑

I mean sure it's up to you but using that logic there must be alot of boxing title reigns you don't recognise? With Dubois being the most recent
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And there is reason to argue. For instance Itauma is great but does he deserve to be ranked #1 in wba and i think wbo? Next time they just gift him the belt. They might put a pushover on #2 and let them fight for one of usyk's belts. Is that a legitimate 'title reign' if he loses in the very next fight to usyk? Debatable...

MaccaveliMacc · Oct 24, 2025 at 7:10 AM

Wizbit1013 said: ↑

I mean sure it's up to you but using that logic there must be alot of boxing title reigns you don't recognise? With Dubois being the most recent
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If we only recognized the lineal reigns boxing would be a way healthier sport.

HistoryZero26 · Oct 24, 2025 at 7:23 AM

It should be a GIVEN that strippings don't count towards 2x,3x etc. You shouldn't even have to make this thread. People should just know.

The whole undisputed thing was pulled out of a marketing students ass. People act like this is a time honored tradition. It isn't. Can mean whatever you want it to mean.

Usyks had 3 interim champions and Dubois in a way his titles been the most disputed. But no hes undisputed.

HistoryZero26 · Oct 24, 2025 at 7:26 AM

Wizbit1013 said: ↑

So Dana White isn't Greedy?
Have you seen the revenue split in UFC?
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Hey its "not a career its an oppurtunity".

Wizbit1013 · Oct 24, 2025 at 8:44 AM

LoveThis said: ↑

And there is reason to argue. For instance Itauma is great but does he deserve to be ranked #1 in wba and i think wbo? Next time they just gift him the belt. They might put a pushover on #2 and let them fight for one of usyk's belts. Is that a legitimate 'title reign' if he loses in the very next fight to usyk? Debatable...
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It's legit if it's official sure
At that point we can debate how a reign was created and defended

Glass City Cobra · Oct 24, 2025 at 9:03 AM

I agree, Dubois wasn't a "unification". He voluntarily gave up one belt, Dubois won said vacant belt, then Usyk just reabsorbed it. And to make matters worse, it was a guy he beat before. Neither fights were all that competitive.

I think it would be a bigger deal if someone like Kabayel or even Parker got the belt and had some solid title defenses before unifying with Usyk. Dubois' entire career is full of asterisks and question marks. And tbh, I don't blame Usyk since the sanctioning bodies are notoriously pedantic, greedy, and stupid, but beating Dubois a 2nd time should historically be viewed as more of a title defense if anything.

JackSilver · Oct 24, 2025 at 9:26 AM

It would have been better if they had stripped Usyk of the belt an then he had go an get if back by beating the guy that they gave it to. That better than him just giving the belt back an then in his very next fight fighting the guy for the belt that he voluntarily gave up.

bjl12 · Oct 24, 2025 at 10:21 AM

Wizbit1013 said: ↑

So Dana White isn't Greedy?
Have you seen the revenue split in UFC?
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Sir, I do not care - at all - how much money NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, Boxing, Soccer/football, Tennis, Golf, etc., athletes earn. The Zuffa league, ran by Dana White and funded by Turki, will greatly improve the observer aspect of boxing and is actually BETTER for the LARGE MAJORITY of boxers because the league improves pay for the non-elite fighters AND improves matchmaking so that boxers actually fight best opponents instead of "other side of street" nonsense.

Yeah, thank GOD for Turki and Dana White. And those peeps that dont like Dana also love Haymon - who does the same damn thing but he does it for "his own" and that fanbase LOVES him. Hypocrisy is hilarious

Jacko · Oct 24, 2025 at 10:56 AM

Yeah, like most things in boxing, it's all a bit silly.

cuchulain · Oct 24, 2025 at 11:05 AM

LoveThis said: ↑

Sorry for the provocative title, but I think it's a marketing sham for media and fans to emphasize that usyk might become three time undisputed.

In the past the multi-time champion distinction started I think with Patterson regaining his title. Ali did it, too, later.

But they all lost their title in the ring and had to pick themselves up and overcome that to win against legitimate champions.

Usyk is a continuous domination. Dubois was a paper champion, because Usyk gave away his title / got stripped. It was belt shenanigans. Dubois didn't even do the (voluntary) 'defense' of the paper belt against parker.

So it bugs me that media and fans are buying this stuff, like it's special to maybe see a 3 time undisputed hw (if usyk gets stripped and wins again, and he would win). The special thing about Usyk is his domination of hw to the point where there is no worthy challenger right now.

(Btw 'undisputed' in general is also bs, crawford wins one fight against old canelo and he is undisputed, opetaia doesn't get the fights he would clearly win and isn't undisputed. Usyk was in luck that the tournament was made in cruiser. Undisputed is as much down to the matchmaking power as it is to the fighter's skills)

Cheers
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All you need to know is that Usyk is the undefeated, undisputed, lineal / linear champion of the world at Heavyweight, and before that he was the undefeated, undisputed, lineal / linear champion of the world at Cruiserweight.

The number of times doesn't actually matter.

Serge · Oct 24, 2025 at 11:21 AM

That's the amazing thing about Usyk. Not only is he a 3 x undisputed champion and 2 x undisputed HW champion he's also an undefeated dominant champion who never lost any of his belts in a ring

But hold your horses (not don't push the horses) because it gets even more impressive

He's a 3 x undisputed and undefeated champion who won and unified all bar one of his belts in his opponent's backyards sans one which was still on the road

And he's a 3 x undisputed and undefeated champion who has never been knocked down, discombobulatized or even badly hurt and in any danger of going down

And he's a 3 x undisputed and undefeated champion who has never ducked anyone or certain styles who wins all his fights via the application of pure skill with zero use of dirty or illegal tactics, who is not an octopus or a cheetah, with zero deckstacking and trying to weaken, compromise or cripple his opponents at the negotiating table

And at HW vs fighter's way bigger than him and has fought loads of savage or legit punchers not just his size but way bigger than him

How many 1 x undisputed champs can you say all that about?

How many can you even say just won all their world titles in their opponent's backyards, especially in the four belt era? And obviously someone like Haney who is part octopus has literally never fought anyone close to his size winning 4 in one fell swoop in the much smaller very stylistically favourable one-hit wonder Kambosos' backyard isn't remotely close to being as impressive

Rumsfeld · Oct 24, 2025 at 11:24 AM

He's 2-time undisputed in the same way Ali was 2-time undisputed in the 1960s. Usyk became 2-time beating Dubois in the rematch decades after Ali did it when he beat Terrell.

A mere technicality in both instances.

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